[CLIP] Corrie Sanders KD Vitali Klitschko

https://streamable.com/6gl4h

Why does Corrie skip and gallop, crossing his legs looking extremely uncoordinated?

Also, why does Vitali not use any defense? Why does he let punches through his lackluster guard? He doesn't seem to be using his height, and reach, and that long jab to keep Sanders off of him.

Also, why does Vitali stick his arms out at Sanders as his defense? What kind of defense is that? Any well trained boxer knows that you keep your hands up when you're in danger.

Are Vitali and Corrie Sanders overrated boxers?

(this is a satire post)

 

Serious question: What would people say if this were Max Baer vs. Primo Carnera?

Would we make definite arguments about the sports evolution based on the clip if it were shot in the 30's?
Deep in my heart I believe people would use this example to illustrate how far boxing has come...

And I made this post to potentially illustrate how our inherent biases can effect our perception of things.
My true beliefs are that both Sanders and Vitali are excellent fighters.
But you just know what certain people would think if that was Baer and not Sanders.

 

Look how Vitali sticks his arms out at Corrie when cowering away from him.
He could've learned thing or two from more technical big heavyweights, like Carnera, who knew how to use their size, height, and reach, and were actually athletic enough to move around with good coordination.

Even Willard showed better defense when Dempsey was rushing in.

/s

 

But you don’t care about the hook that clipped Willard before he flailed his arms in retreat, so why provide context that has precedent of being ignored?

You were all to ready to critique his technique in that moment for what it was. But if you want to provide an extended clip, go right ahead. It can’t change what we see in the footage above.

Vitali was hurt. But good boxers cover up properly even when they’re hurt. What he was doing cannot he called a defense of any kind. It looked like sheer amateurish panic.

Why does Sanders start charging him like a wounded rhino, crossing his legs, and looking extremely uncoordinated? I can’t think of many boxers that look that sloppy going for the kill.

Look at a guy like Mike Tyson when he goes for a finish. He uses proper footwork, technique, defense, maintains his stance, and doesn’t leave himself open like that.


/s

 

Imagine this:

There is somehow a clip of Baer doing exactly what Sanders does here 1 for 1. Picture trying to defend his technique and boxing acumen in the face of footage like this, and tell me you don’t feel the knives of a thousand ‘modernist’ critics.

Go on, picture it.

 

You absolutely do not need to cherry pick Sanders and Vitali footage to show their “obvious shortcomings.”

These guys just didn’t have the smoothest coordination. Their technique would be indefensible if they were past gen fighters. Both were clearly “function over form” fighters.

There’s a larger trove of footage showing George Foreman’s technical short comings than there is for Baer.

In fact they probably share an equal “time of footage” to “ technical shortcoming” ratio.

Just because I’ve yet to go on a “shortcoming exposing” campaign, it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

The things you mistake for poor boxing, and bad technique, are just as bountiful with more modern fighters.

 

Also, just to add, the clip above is from the first round of the fight.
How can they look so sloppy in the first round?
Really not a good look for Vitali or Corrie.

Neither of them look like they know how to balance on their two feet.

Jim Jeffries looks like a ballerina next to them.

/s
this is satire

 

Simple.
The same "limitations/flaws" presented in older fighters are used to support an argument that technique and skill have evolved over time, a conclusion which aims to diminish unfavorable legacies for the wrong reasons.

And lo' and behold, here is Sanders looking like a wounded rhino as he goes for the kill in round 1. And Vitali using the "Macarena" defense.

 

Here's one:

As a reaction to this Gif, a member wrote:

This was cosigned by a few people.
His point at the very end is that Charles legacy carries his reputation, rather than his actual boxing ability.

Now look at Holyfield, a more modern fighter:
https://streamable.com/g1w2e

Look at how he commits all the same crimes as Charles.

 

You seem to do a pretty good job at presenting the worst version of someones argument.

This was exactly what you criticized Willard for. I demonstrated that a "Modern Athletic, Coordinated, Skilled, World Class Trained (add as many superlatives as you wish)" SHW can find himself in the same scenario.

You used a moment like this to demonstrate Willard having unevolved boxing skill.
Unevolved, as in, not nearly as evolved as people like Vitali Klitschko (Who is one of the 4/5 "skilled SHWs"")
And yet, here is Vitali Klitschko doing the same thing.