[CLIP] Cus D'Amato reacts to Ali-Liston 2 during Post-Fight Interviews "Not Listons Fault!"

Spencer was ranked number 2 in the world 5 months before he was stopped by Martin.
Banks not being a world beater means that Martin killing him doesn't count then? How absurd is that?

 

It was an obviously incorrect ranking because he couldn't win a fight after 1967. That's 4 years of fights by the way. Killing somebody doesn't make you a dynamite puncher. Did Dempsey or Louis ever kill anyone? I don't think so.

Not going to give someone tons of praise for knocking out a journeyman and a guy who was clearly very past his rope.

 

Five months after being number 2, he was way past his rope? Spencer fell apart because of his lifestyle,after the Quarry and Martin fights he went downhill rapidly, but believe me when he was on he was some fighter,the Spencer v Martin fight was Fight Of The Year in the UK!
Tons of praise is not required ,recognition that Martin was a good puncher is all that is asked for.

 

I think everyone is saying Martin was a good puncher. There just isn’t evidence Martin was an ATG powerhouse puncher. Because he wasn’t. He was not Max Baer, Ingo, Tua, shavers, Louis, Marciano, max Schmeling power at all.

He was like Jimmy Ellis or Larry Holmes on the power front. Reasonable, and not to be sniffed at right hand puncher. That’s it. Nothing wrong with that.

A much greater fighter, Lennox Lewis, was knocked out just as emphatically as Liston was by Rahman. Yet nobody is pushing for Rahman to be some all time big hitter. Why is that?

 

There's no hope for you

 

More like There’s no hope for you.

You are the one boosting a honest pro with a decent punch into an ATG powerhouse.

Where do you rate Rahman?

 

You can't even read let alone understand or comprehend points. No-one is boasting Martin into an "ATG powerhouse", it's just you lying as usual.

Rahman has utterly nothing to do with the discussion and it's not worth the few paragraphs explaining why as you wouldn't comprehend them and they wouldn't be needed for 99% of the forum to understand the point.

 

To my knowledge no one has said or suggested that Martin was, "an ATG powerhouse puncher" so why would you use such an exaggerated term?

 

oh well that’s okay then. I didn’t want to think people were getting far too carried away with martins power.

I’m glad we all agree Martin was a good puncher for the kind of guy he was. Merry Christmas to all.

 

Are you on drugs? Nobodies agreed "Martin was a good puncher for the kind of guy he was."

Can you not read?

 

I don't care about his ranking. He couldn't win a single fight after Martin and was stopped in the bout before. Clearly on the decline.

Martin was an above average puncher. He was nowhere near the likes of Frazier, Liston, Foreman, or any of the top punchers of his era.

 

Again, do you honestly believe Liston acting as he did on the canvas look real to you?

 

I’m not on drugs no. Are you?

So let’s get this straight. Nobody is saying Martin was a powerhouse ATG hitter? And nobody but me and mr dago is saying “Martin was a good puncher for the kind of guy he was”?

So what are you saying then? Let’s clear this up. Nobody says Martin was an ATG puncher. So where are you on this?

 

He has a point. Liston never received a proper count and Ali wasn't forced to a neutral corner. Liston flopping on the canvas looked like something you'd see in a cheesy pro wrestling match.

 

Thanks. It’s the way I see it too.

I also don’t think the acting on the canvas was real -but we can’t know why Sonny did that. Did he act more hurt to play possum? So that he could take Ali by surprise when they did resume fighting? Or Did Sonny act more hurt because he wanted to stay down until Ali was under control?

We will never know because ALi was larking about and wasting time.

It can’t necessarily be that Sonny acted like that because he wanted to stay down long enough to be counted out because when he did resume fighting, took several shots without going down.