[Clip] Rocky Marciano non stop pressure power punching on Lee Savold

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Oh no Marciano has subtle little nuances that the average viewer cannot detect he made mistakes for a reason.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    When the boxing commissioner suspends you to save you from yourself you are at the end of the road a used up pug with 140 odd fights on your clock if you don't think this must be factored in when evaluating the Marciano fight against Savold then you are watching the wrong sport!
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like a surgically trained serial killer, absolutely beautiful.
     
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  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I call it "Cyanide Syndrome." Some have the ability to smell the substance and others don't get a whiff, you are the latter regarding Marciano.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good post. The Marciano revisionism is really getting out of hand. Didn't see anything fluid at all in that sequence. In that one hand-selected clip, I saw Marciano: stand square, cross his feet for no apparent reason, drop his left while throwing a telegraphed right haymaker, and walk in on his opponent face first, with his head exposed and completely unprotected. This is supposed to be evidence of fluidity, angles, and high iq? Agree to disagree, I guess.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Getting stopped 40 times is a big deal no matter how many times you have fought!
    I'm not going to respond to this because I would really open you up sunshine.You carry on with your delusions and your biases.You watch Marciano look like sh*t against a man who was having his last fight and was forcibly retired immediately afterwards and see something no one ringside saw. If that had been a clip of Tyson doing that you would be ripping it to bits but even when badly dissipated Tyson never missed punches by that distance!
    Ill start giving you a semblance of credibilty when you can show a semblance of objectivity. Until then you will stay the butt of jokes here.
     
  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    His feet don’t cross once in that clip.
    At one point his back foot is directly behind his front, which is an absolutely normal position to have your feet. Ever seen Tommy Hearns fight?

    There is nothing not fluid about throwing a round house right. You are just connecting different tropes (Roundhouse, Rocky, White, Bum) and coming to that predetermined conclusion.

    He’s perfectly balanced the entire time evidenced by the uppercut that comes after the overhand right. He is in perfect position to continue his inside pressure, and his proper balance enables him a dynamic range of options at all times. He has constant forward momentum, but is able to change direction fluidly in an instant, and then revert back to his non stop pressure.

    To folks that may be new or trying to learn something here: Be wary when somebody says a 6 time defending lineal champion can’t box, or place his feet properly. You should assume that those people need to adjust their understanding of boxing, rather than the champion boxer needing to adjust anything about their style.
     
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  8. reznick

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    It’s interesting how much of a stickler Rocky’s critics are.

    Pretty sure the same people will ooh and ah about Tyson Fury, who throws two hands at a time, has completely non conventional combos, and who represents a style you wouldn’t learn at any boxing gym.

    But Rocky has to be this ultra perfect classic fighter. If his left glove is a bit low, they’ll carry signs about it.
     
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  9. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Unless you are the boxing commissioner you have no way of knowing what was going on in his head. The most likely outcome was that Marciano beat him into retirement because that's what the fight shows. It was incredibly one sided save for some slick defensive moves by Savold.

    Again, you're arguing as if I'm claiming that Marciano beat the second coming of Gene Tunney. In reality the Savold win was a good scalp by Marciano against a veteran with clever defense. Nothing more.
     
  10. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I can only imagine what they would say if Marciano uppercut himself in the face.
     
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  11. FrankinDallas

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    Very sloppy performance by Marciano...what did he weigh for this bout? He looked
    like a middleweight.

    I can't imagine Rocky getting that close to Holmes or Lewis or Wilder...all would keep him
    off with jabs and size. Frazier and Holyfield would let him fight inside because they
    liked it inside as well. No doubt the difference could be Rocky's strength...he punches must
    have REALLY HURT more than other HW's because you can see guys folding under the pressure,
    like Archie Moore.
     
  12. Wass1985

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    Tyson Fury took it a step further, he liked to uppercut himself.
     
  13. Wass1985

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    They all laughed when you said you wanted to be a comedian, they're not lauging now.....
     
  14. mcvey

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    Read the reports of the fight .
    "The fight figured to be an easy one for Marciano.Savold was an old warhorse who had battled the best heavyweights of his era as a contender and the championship.But Lee was tired and could no longer hold his own against the class contenders of his division.Joe Louis had found him a slow, easy target when he won every round and battered Savold to the canvas for a sixth rounds ko nine months earlier."

    "It was Rocky's clumsiest fight since amateur days.he was in constant pursuit of Savold and rarely stopped punching,but he had not had a fight in 4 months and few had ever seen him as awkward.
    He missed punches by feet instead of inches,and even when he landed a solid blow the power seemed to be missing.But while the fans were laughing at Rocky's wild lefts and roundhouse swings Savold was on the receiving end of what was described in the NY Times as the worst beating in his 17 years of boxing."

    In the sixth round Rocky threw a opunch that missed by Savold by two feet and sent Marciano sprawling to the canvas.
    On his knees Rocky grinned as he clutched the top strand of the ropes."
    "Embarrassed by the slip which had brought bursts of laughter from the audience,angry at himself for not having ko'd Savold in fewer rounds than it had taken Louis to dispose of the 36year old brawler,Rocky stormed after his oponent trying desperately to put him down".
    "When Savold returned to his corner at the end of the 6th round his manager Bill Daly began waving a towel".

    "After seeing how defencless Savold had been against Marciano's attack Pennysylvania BoxingCommisioner John Ox Da grossa suspened himindefinitely for his own protection,thus barring him from fighting within NBA jurisdiction".



    Doesn't sound much like the footage you watched and"interpreted" does it?lol
     
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  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    No, this is not a normal way to position your feet. It might be if he were facing a different direction, but as is, his feet are clearly crossed, and he is out of position (If you don't get it, try to put your feet in that position and then fight someone in Savold's position. Hell, just try to land fully-leveraged combinations on a heavybag from there). Boxers get away with it from time to time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's potentially problematic. No matter how great a fighter Marciano was, this footwork is not some high level display of boxing acumen. None of this matters of course, because Savold was out of position himself and also probably lacked the physical talent to take advantage. Most informed observers accept that Marciano succeeded because his strengths relative to those of his opponents outweighed his flaws and limitations. You and a small number of other posters here seem intent on pretending that everything he did was impeccable and brilliant, that he had no flaws.

    The question of whether he maintained good balance or not depends on your interpretation of his movement (the two steps he took) between the haymaker and the uppercut. Some might see that and say that he was being carried forward by the momentum of his previous punch, which is generally a sign that one has thrown himself out of balance.

    The only thing arguably fluid about the punch is the actual movement of his arm (surprisingly fast). Nothing else stood out as worthy of being praised as "fluid."
     
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