[Clip] Rocky Marciano non stop pressure power punching on Lee Savold

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Nov 8, 2017.


  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sounds like the surgical work of a high-IQ ring genius with superior balance and fluidity.
     
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  2. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wasn't overly impressed with that clip.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Nor was the ringside audience who laughed at Marciano missing and falling down!
     
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  4. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    According to Boxing Best documentary, Marciano was also pretty sick during this fight.
     
  5. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well I don't pretend to have the knowledge both technically or historically than most on here, so my perspective is probably just as a typical fan, but I think Rocky looks very sloppy in there.
    I was surprised when the commentator said it's the end of the 4th round, because it looked more like it was towards the end of a 15 round fight, both fighters looked very sluggish.
    I love Marciano by the way, and Rez's videos!
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He was sick he couldn't get Savold out of there like Louis.He got the job done eventually but anyone saying this clip is impressive or that he performed well in the fight has a serious issue with objectivity!
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah ,you have to have been around then to appreciate it.
     
  8. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    It worked.
    He was the most successful of his time.
    He did something that worked.
    I’m trying to help identify what that is.

    Boxing isn’t WWE.
    Success is incredibly difficult, it isn’t written in the script.

    You must come to terms with Rocky Marciano having been a tremendous boxer. And you must be able to explain it without using glib statements that aim to reduce him to amateurish proportions. Or else you’re not really grounded in reality. And I think every single one of us knows that in our hearts.

    Some people are fans of certain fighters, and some people have a distaste for certain fighters.

    Like Wass said. When watching Rocky, you either see a brilliant pressure fighter who can balance the tasks of keeping the distance closed, keeping the tremendous power punches up, and keeping the damage flowing with extraordinary ability using detailed skills and tactics in between, or you see a guy that swings his body into punches and throws round houses with his eyes closed in hopes of landing big.

    Personally, what I see in the film is clearly the former. I’ve provided many examples of Rocky using tricky, subtle techniques in fights that point to a very high boxing IQ. And I will continue to provide those examples in the future.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You need to disseminate what Marciano actually did from his achievements which were remarkable. Marciano was clumsy at times, missed punches by a couple of feet, and sometimes fell over as result ,this in no way detracts from his tremendous achievements in fact it absolutely added to them!

    What you see in the clip is not what the ringside audience, or the boxing reporters saw. Nor anyone watching it with an absence of hero worship in their eyes.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    For some reason Rocky has his own set of standards for Boxing.

    Lennox Lewis can fall over while whiffing in the air, throw some seriously goofy looking punches, and plod throughout the fight in sloppy fashion, but is lauded, justifiably, when he lands a straight right that rocks someone’s skull back, as a masterful boxer.

    Makes no sense.
    It’s the result of Boxiana story telling.
    The story telling nature behind the sports history creates different standards of “good and bad” in place of accurate and consistent means of measurements.

    We’re used to these boxing documentaries of past legends where they are the hero, and all the other boxers are notable bums. And that trickles into the consciousness of fans when that is what we are typically bombarded with.

    There were no documentaries on Rocky. No cool ones at least. They’re all about spaghetti and meatballs it seems. Completely unrelatable stuff in comparison to the geopolitical adventures of Ali, Louis, and Johnson. Rocky has always been that white guy from the 50’s who was exactly the kind of fighter that Ali was a stark contrast to.

    These stories had their place and value. No doubt about that. But we have moved beyond that, and are in a world where we also like to judge boxers on their boxing, not just the backstory. You have to take a Kellerman esque approach to to analyzing the old time stuff. And with better access to higher quality footage, this is becoming more feasible than ever.

    We can get down to the brass tracks.
    Want to compare the amount of canvas covered per round by Marciano versus Holyfield, Lewis, and Wlad?
    Or the amount of punches thrown, landed, or the ratio of accuracy?

    I am super down for that.
    Because I am extremely confident that the results will yield vindicitive results for Rocky.
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm not going to have another ground hog day with you thanks .Comparing Marciano with any other fighter in no way makes him more or less graceful, more accurate ,or better balanced ,he will still be the same Rocky. And,100years from now nothing will have changed.
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Lastly, I’d like to pose this question one last time, that seemingly keeps getting avoided. However, I think it encapsulates everything I am trying to say perfectly:

    Is Rocky Marciano slower than Murat Gassiev? And if the answer is no, do you believe Gassiev suffers, or will suffer a stigma of being a slow fighter?
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I haven't watched him.

    I'd say Marciano gets more leeway for his shortcomings,slow feet, average handspeed, porous defence, poor balance, inaccuracy,tendency to bleed, from Rocky fans than any other fighter I have seen mentioned on this forum in my nearly 12 years time here.Anyone accepting that he had these faults in his game is necessarily a hater and a heretic!
     
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  14. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, same as you. Shocked to hear that was the end of the 4th. Its not a clip i'd be showing of Marciano's none stop relentless power punching as proof. Infact he looks shocking tbh
     
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  15. Eddie Ezzard

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    In an earlier post you said Marciano put him into retirement. Now, it's the 140 fights he had before fighting Rocky. Which one are you going for?