[Clip] Rocky Marciano non stop pressure power punching on Lee Savold

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What are you talking about? I'm not referring to 140 fights in relation to his retirement. That's where your confusion is.
     
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  2. reznick

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    It’s very close.

    He had better head movement.
    Rocky had better punches.
     
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  3. Mr.DagoWop

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    Wouldn't happen. He actually has skills.

    lol
     
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  4. Eddie Ezzard

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    Sorry. My bad. You're saying he suffered 11 KOs in 140 fights which is hardly a disgrace. I misunderstood.
     
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  5. reznick

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    Here is an example of Rockys brilliant use of momentum and pressure:

    https://streamable.com/swu2u

    As soon as the punch misses, he uses the momentum of his body to seamlessly close the distance with Savold. From Savolds perspective, dodging a punch only means that Rocky is now closer to him, on balance and in position.

    When most fighters miss a punch like that, they're taken out of the action momentarily.
    You rarely, if ever, see someone who minimized the cost of throwing massive power punches like Rocky did.

    Also, notice the massive speed and explosive disparity between the two.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    Why miss in the first place? Or are you implying it was deliberate?lol
    Have you a plausible explanation for all the negative press that Marciano garnered from this fight from the CONTEMPORARY press?
    Were they all watching a different fight?
    Were they all perhaps not astute enough to see what you obviously are seeing?
    Was it the first time they had seen a professional boxing match and they did not understand how to interpret it?
    How could they have got it so terribly wrong?
    Is it because they do not possess your intrinsic gift for deciphering Rocky's moves?
    Were they all Rocky haters?
    Please enlighten us?
     
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  7. Eddie Ezzard

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    Is that so? It'd be great if someone would post a video of them one day.
     
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  8. reznick

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    I'm implying that there is a subconscious calculated risk he takes into account when throwing a punch like that.
    He probably knows there is a small but reasonable chance that the punch lands, and that if it doesn't, he can ride the momentum as a failsafe and continue the attack.

    Nobody wants to say it because it doesn't follow the old tropes. But Marciano was a very rhythmic and fluid pressure fighter.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    I'm sorry I'm not looking for implied interpretations or probables.I want answers.
     
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  10. reznick

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    Ray Arcel said that the night Marciano fought Lowry, he had turned into a fantastic boxer.
    I see what Ray saw, Mcvey.

    Why did Marciano get some bad press in his day?
    Probably for similar reasons Wilder gets the same treatment today.
    Some think he has no skill, just a lucky punch. Then, there is the rest of us.
     
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  11. reznick

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    Well, there goes the conversation.

    Where are you going to go look for untainted, verifiable proof of what his intentions were in the ring when throwing a punch?
    Got a magic ball we can use to communicate to Rocky with through the ether?

    You asked my opinion on something wo both know cannot be verified unless we are in his mind. I gave you my earnest answer.

    Anyway, I was enjoying the progress we were making, but I don't wish to go down this rabbit hole of ego fueled abstraction gymnastics.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Specifically I want you to explain why Marciano was panned by the contemporary press for his effort against Savold?
    I've provided six possible reasons, if none of them are plausible ,
    please feel free to provide your own.

    Can you produce the quote from Arcel where he states Marciano had turned into a fantastic boxer please?
    I assume you are referring to their second fight and not the first one in which many of the press thought Lowry was robbed?


    You have cut and run.It's okay, I thought you wouldn't last too long!

    Edited to add .I know you won't provide that quote because he did not say that.
    This is his actual quote.

    "I was astounded in the improvement that he made. And he beat Lowry." No comment about Marciano being a fantastic boxer anywhere in it! Naughty !Naughty!
     
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  13. robert ungurean

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    Frazier is a much more effective and smoother preasure fighter in my book
     
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  14. mcvey

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    He is ,and he was faster of both hand and foot, but I pick Marciano to beat him because he had two handed power.
     
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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Agree on 2 notes but Fraziers combo of hand and foot speed along with much better head movement are the key for me of beating Rocky. He just outlands Marciano at a higher level and gets his punches off too fast for the Rock to beat him but thats a whole nother thread.
     
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