[Clip] Rocky Marciano non stop pressure power punching on Lee Savold

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Because his style was highly unorthodox.
    Also, Marciano took the fight lightly, and in my opinion, at times, seemed to enjoy showing his power moreso than using it effectively. I've seen Wilder do the same.

    And that was in relation to his boxing ability.
    So your point is that he was astounding, not fantastic?
    Okay, sorry for the error, but I believe it is inconsequential to the main point.
     
  2. mcvey

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    No he didnt say he was astounding either.He said he was astounded by the improvement he had made ,given the fact that Lowry is said to have had him on the verge of a ko in their first fight and many thought Lowry deserved the decision this is hardly surprising, even Lowry never professed to having won their second fight!
    I think we both know what you were attempting there, but nice try!
    Where is your evidence that Marciano took Savold lightly?
    Where is your evidence that he was enjoying his power ? The ringside reports said he was frustrated and annoyed he couldnt get Savold out of there.
    Can you think of a single fight in which in which Marciano did not try with everything in him to score a ko?
    Blatant smokescreen on your part !
    I'm going to give you a reprieve now, its 12 30 and time for my bed.
     
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  3. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's all good.
     
  4. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    If a thing astounded you, then it is astounding...
    But yeah, I'm not gonna do this whole abstract rabbit hole thing.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I love Marciano but I am not at all impressed by that clip.
     
  6. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is a fighter you have to first understand how he was trained to use his limitations to his advantage and had to really study to appreciate....his stance alone is one that doesn't make sense unless you take into account his short arms and powerful kegs....then you understand his setting on his back leg forcing opponents to reach into his range and strength to connect little Charlie Goldman knew what he was doing...he was sloppy because he loaded up because he could....for the entire fight and good knows he wasn't outboxing anyone
     
  7. mcvey

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    You made a statement that was at best incorrect ,at worse deliberate obfuscation.
    Here is your statement.
    Ray Arcel said that the night Marciano fought Lowry, he had turned into a fantastic boxer.
    I see what Ray saw, Mcvey.

    1.Arcel did not say that or anything resembling it!
    2,You do not see what Arcel saw because you misinterpreted ,[either by memory lapse or willfully ,only you know ]what he said he saw.


    See how simple life can be when people are open minded and honest?
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Plus Frazier was 20lbs heavier.Either way I would not be putting money on the result.
     
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  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Here is another great clip that shows two things.
    It shows Rockys fluid style.
    And it shows how old tropes subconsciously alter your perspective on Rocky.

    Allow me to demonstrate:

    https://streamable.com/vh5nb

    When Rocky lands the right hand, what do you see?
    Most likely you see a wild Marciano round house punch, typical of him.

    Look again.
    He slips the jab and throws the right over it, and then slips and side steps to move out of the way after it lands. If some Featherweight fighter did this, people would call it skilled, and an impressive display of IQ and reflexes.

    But when Rocky does the exact skill moves of other fighters, all you see is the oafy white 50's bum throwing a wild spaghetti round house bomb, don't you?
    Media perceptions are strong.
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Please don't attempt to interpret what I see,you have enough trouble coming to the correct conclusion with your own viewing!
    I've seen all the Marciano footage and began watching it in the 60's on super 8mm film, I don't require anyone breaking it down for me and ,particularly you, and I mean that without any rancour or animosity,its just that I have seen some of your breakdowns and I rarely see what you do ,and it appears I am not alone in that!
    It will just be easy and convenient for you to label me a hater and be done with it, then the impasse goes away!
    So do that.
     
  11. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Louis jabs and brings the jab back low, Marciano slips the jab and throws a right over the low left hand. No criticism of Marciano, he took advantage of what was there, any experienced boxer would have done the same thing as would most novice amateurs. Slipping a jab and throwing a right hand over a jab that comes back low is one of the first things that boxers learn in the gym. It's not remarkable that a boxer with over 40 fights would do that.
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The race card?
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    That a much better selection.
     
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  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This "granular" analysis by GIFF sh&t is gonna make my head explode.

    Kerouac had the occasional great sentence but his novels sucked.
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Marciano gets overrated by casuals because he is white.
    And he gets underrated by aficionados because he is white.

    He carries a lot of stigmas and tropes from boxiana, when in reality he was simply an awesome fighter. Race shouldn't matter.

    Don Turner gets it.
    When predicting the outcome of Marciano vs. Klitschko (two white guys) he says "Why couldn't Rocky beat him? Because he's a white guy? Get outta here." He understands the nuance.
     
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