Close Calls - What Fighters Resumes...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    And historic standings would suffer, or benefit the most, from having their close fights go the other way?

    Imagine Larry Holmes with losses to Witherspoon, Maurice Harris, Carl Williams and Ken Norton? Would his current standing as ATG even be intact if that was the case?

    His title reign would have been stopped far sooner then it was by Witherspoon.

    What if Ali had losses to Young, another Norton loss, and a loss to Shaver's? Would his status as a great be more assured then Holmes despite the extra losses?
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    chavez wouldnt have taht amazing streak
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Peter Buckley has another 40 wins to his record, if the hometown decisions were reversed.

    Ali losing to Norton (fight three), Shavers or Young makes little difference IMO, but Ali (Clay) losing to Jones may of put an interesting spin on things.

    Bowe dropping the Tubbs fight, perhaps sets up Holyfield/Ruddock or Holyfield/Lewis in late 92.

    Arguello decisioning Fernandez probably sets up a Duran fight, and it may of even led to The Hands of Stone making one final Lightweight defence.
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano/LaStarza I comes to mind right away. I understand that LaStarza has always maintained he won that initial meeting. If Marciano had not decked him in that one, boxing history would have changed that night.
     
  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If New York had not had that silly supplementary points system in, history would of been different. An undefeated record with one draw, just does not look so pretty, and you do no get so much kudos, eh Ricardo.;)
     
  6. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Got that right!;)
     
  7. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Read about that fight a few years ago.By all accounts Lastarza was a very good fighter an d pushed Marciano very hard.
     
  8. quintonjacksonfan

    quintonjacksonfan Active Member Full Member

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    What if Hagler got the decisions against Antufurmo,Watts,and Leonard?
    He would of finished his career at 66-1-1
     
  9. My2Sense

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    Emile Griffith and Kid Gavilan both had a lot of close calls in their careers, going either way.

    Gavilan was actually on the wrong end of most close decisions in his career, but he got the benefit of the doubt in some of his most important fights (ie: Graham, Basilio).
     
  10. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ike Quartey would've ended up with wins over DeLaHoya and Forrest.

    Robin Reid would've beaten Calzaghe and Ottke when both were the two top super-middles in the world - and if that had happened, neither Calzaghe nor Ottke would've been able to retire with unbeaten records.

    Speaking of Ottke, he had a number of decisions that could've easily gone the other way.

    Going back in time, Kid Chocolate would've had Tony Canzoneri and Battling Battalino on his resume (and their titles) if his close decisions losses to them had gone his way.

    Henry Armstrong would've been a five-division champion had he not been robbed in the rematch with Garcia.
     
  11. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    If Harry Greb would have gotten the decisons most felt he desreved over Tiger Flowers...
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marcos Villasana would be a hell of a lot more remembered then he is today, among other things.

    He was flat out robbed against against Esparragoza. A draw my ass, talk about wanting to keep the title on the champion.

    If he was given the decision there he would have won the WBA title on top of the WBC belt he picked up when he beat Hodkinson.

    Give him the MD verdict he got agianst Azumah Nelson as well and we're talking about him being held in fairly high regard as opposed to the nearly forgotten fighter he is.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Some people thought the FOTC was close,[ I didnt think it was particularly close], but if Frazier had lost it he would have been 5- 0 against the 2 ATG's he fought, that would have hurt his standing imo.
    I dont really count Ali's fights after Manila he was essentially done by then imo.So he had close ones with Young and Norton ,possibly Shavers too ,so what ? By then he was about 70% of what he had been, and they were top rated guys,,it would have been no disgrace either way imo.
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't hold the Spink's, Berbick or Holmes fights in absolutely any esteem. But I feel even as of Shaver's he had something left, obviously. He was seconds away from stopping Shaver's after being hit by the hardest heavyweight banger of all time after 45 minutes of fighting in the 15th.

    ****, he showed he had something left against Berbick, at that age if he wasn't dying because of thyroid medication, if you want to really nitpick.
     
  15. McGrain

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    If Micheal Watson had got the nod in his razor thin confrontation with Eubank in I, he probably wouldn't have been terribly wounded in II.