Close Calls - What Fighters Resumes...

I thought he looked pathetic against Berbick, he didnt win a round on my card, he pushed his right and was outmuscled all night.that was a 40 year old man called Muhammad Ali,If you want to see the "Greatest",I would suggest the Williams fight would be a good start,but then, maybe you had to be around then.
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"Do you think your skills may have gone "?
"Its not may have gone ,they HAVE gone"!

 

If Holmes had those losses he would suffer greatly. I don't think Ali's legacy would have been to badly affected by close points losses after Manilla. Looking at it, it's impressive in a way that he managed to make them so close.

But if he had lost to Jones or the rematch to Norton, now that's another kettle of fish entirely. Sure, he had the wins to make up for it a bit, but it would mean he had a losing record against Norton.

 

Grantland Rice felt that Greb deserved the decision in Tunney II, Gene's only official win in their series. If Harry had gone up 2-0 against Tunney, he or Wills might have gotten the shot which Gene dethroned Dempsey with.

 

Watch the fight ,then tell me it was fairly close or that Ali held his own . If you do ,I wont waste any further time on you,at my age I count my time as precious.

 

If Morales has beaten David Diaz, we might've seen Pac-Morales 4, or, if trying to go for new ground, may have seen Pac vs. Casamayor, or Pac vs. Nate Campbell.

Hatton's career would be completely different had he lost the decision to Collazo.

Would Hagler have retired after Leonard or would he have carried on? He was dwindling, so who could he have faced next?

In terms of ATG standing, if Calzaghe had lost the decision against Hopkins, he would've been eked out in a really boring match by an 'old man'. Hop might never have got the fight with Pavlik and would probably have had a big pay day and retired after rematching Jones. Calzaghe wouldn't have a leg to stand on in most people's eyes, or, he would have to fight a couple of top guys and try and reclaim what he wanted, high regard.

Such a close fight, in my eyes not a boring fight (I thought it was a chess match really, but a very scrappy one at that and I found it very intriguing) which could've went either way, Hop might not have wanted to keep fighting after that. I think he knew how much the scalp of Calzaghe was worth. After THAT loss to add to the Tyalor fights, Hopkins is now taking on even bigger challenges and trying to confirm his legacy (already cemented in my eyes)

God knows how Calzaghe would've reacted? Would he have rematched Hopkins? With a Win I think B-hop wouldn't have felt the need for a 2nd fight.

 

Emile Griffith had many many close calls make him lose to Luis Manuel Rodriguez 4 times at least once to Dick Tiger, he goes 0-3 aganist Benvenuti and then goes 0-2 aginst Archer. He would be regarded very differently.

Tiger Flowers with a win most felt he should have gotten over Walker would push him up the middleweight ranking possibly having the two best wins over Greb and Walker.

 

What if Winky Wright got the verdicts over Simon and Vargas?

 

What if Frazier won the second Ali fight? People say that was close. He would own two wins over Ali. There probably wouldn't have been a third fight as Ali might not ever get a shot at the title for a while. He would have losses to Frazier 2x and Norton.

Bernard Hopkins: How about wins over Taylor 2x and Calzaghe. He would only have two losses.

What if Calzaghe lost hos 0 to Robin Reid?

How about if Marciano lost to LaStarza.

 

I think Calzaghe would have retired, disgusted by the loss. I'm pretty sure Hopkins does not give him a rematch, and instead fights Jones, winning by a very wide decision, maybe stopping him. And maybe a final fight against Taylor, try to erase all his "L", imagine if he won that, his standing would've been really really good.

 

Hopkins moves up and beats Calzaghe, moves up again against Tarver who is still at the top, beats him in the same way, and a final showdown against Jones, like I said wide ud or stoppage. :admin

 

Holmes' reign after his close fight with Witherspoon wasn't all that special at all. All Holmes did was basically put his title on ice and avoid the more dangerous guys around in favor of easier paydays and fights. I don't think Holmes' opponents past Witherspoon contributed much to his legacy and/or all-time ranking, other than just padding his record with more title defenses, which looks good on paper.

 

I was amazed at how weak Ali was against Berbick. His punches had absolutely no steam on them, and just like you said, he pushed his right hand, and I thought his left jab looked like a wet noodle. Berbick just beat him with superior strength and workrate.

 

IfTapia didn't get jobbed by Ayala...TWICE!! He would have fought a showdown with Barrera while he was still in his prime.

 

Im glad some one knows what they are looking at. Russell says" against Berbick, Ali showed that he still had something left".

What would that be I wonder? A pulse?