Clottey: "My Low KO Percentage And Fading Late In Fights Is Due To Cutting To 147"

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  1. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    :rofl come off it bruva


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    ^that is a massive welterwight body. look at mosley,margo, floyd everyone of them is slimmer or have some flesh around them. cotto is a tank and looked smaller than clottey.


    and paul williams is massive but skinny as hell. hieght to weight isnt always the best based ratio. urango can step up to welter well i dont think vivian harris would do so well.
     
  2. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Josh is a BIG WW....Cotto is a Avg size WW. Cotto moved up from Jr WW to be more comfortable in a division where he didn't have to work so hard to make weight.

    Cotto stressed that 145 would be fine and he's the one who requested that catch weight. Cotto had no issues at 145 and was even better than he was for the josh fight in preparation and with regard to his mental preparations.
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Paul should natrually be a MW to begin with...****...Paul could fight at 168 if you really take a hard honest look at him. It's amazing he was fighting at 147.
     
  4. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Meh, there is too much hate in your post.

    Floyd agreed to all of Pacs demands did he not? Even the stupid 10 mill per lbs one.

    Im still waiting for an answer as to how Floyd was supposed to know IN ADVANCE that Pac would refuse the blood tests?

    Ill never say Pac didnt want to fight Floyd, I believe he did want to. Im mad at him because it is untrue that a blood test can put an athlete on the shelf for 3 days. Its just not true. Someone needs to explain that to him.
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    you can't say "Pac is just as good at 147 as at 140 but he is not as dominant because his opponents are bigger" Thats ****ing obvious.

    Any fighter who weighs in on fight night above their division could be just as good in a higher division but not as dominant because his opponents are bigger. That's the whole point.

    For example, JMM weighed in at 141 on fight night against Juan Diaz. 141 is in the WW range. So you could say "JMM could fight at WW and weigh in at 141, and he would be just as good as he was against Juan Diaz, but not as dominant because his opponents are bigger."

    Get it? The fact that your opponents are bigger than your real weightclass is the reason that you are at a disadvantage. Therefore Pac fighting at 147 against bigger opponents is a disadvantage.
     
  6. Mr. Blobby

    Mr. Blobby Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yeah clottey looks huge compared to these two guys

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    they all look freaking big during fights cus of all the internal blood gets pushed to the muscles
     
  7. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wrestled myself and I did have problems making weight....but not a pound...which Cotto had to loose from his last fight. Cutting weight is tough..without a doubt...but I cut weight and decided to do so b/c I felt had advantages to make the lower division...I could have jumped up to the next division and struggled less. Fighters make decisions based on risk vs reward value.
     
  8. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are only telling half the truth here.

    You arent at a disadvantage only because your opponent is bigger. You are at a disadvantage because when you add muscle you usually lose speed, power and flexibility.

    Some fighters can add that muscle and not lose those things. Pac is such a fighter. Hops the same. Thats why they look just as good as before and their body looks the same, only bigger.

    This isnt only about your opponent. Its about how your body reacts to the higher weight.

    Pac did not have to make Cotto come down to even things out.
     
  9. redifish

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    Lol. Making excuses already.:( That means he'd rather be the loser in big fights than winning against anybody at all.
     
  10. charlievint

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    Well stated Scar!
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    The exact same Pacqiuao that fought Cotto could have easily lost 4 pounds for the weigh-in and made JWW without losing any speed, power, or muscle. That means that he was at the same level at WW than at JrWW, but facing bigger fighters. The same way any JrWW who puts on a couple of pounds after the weigh-in could have the same ability at WW than as JrWW, but the only difference would be the size of his opponents. So they don't fight at WW because they don't wanna be at a disadvantage.

    That's the whole idea behind draining to make the weight. You don't wanna fight fighters from a higher division because they are bigger than you, which puts you at a disadvantage.

    The principle applies to Pacquiao the same way at it does to everyone else. That's why the Cotto catchweight was a fair compromise. Now he is fighting Clottey at the full 147 limit, which means that Pacquiao is at a size disadvantage because in reality he could still be fighting JrWWs while remaining at the same level.
     
  12. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He will be at a size disadvantage against Clottey either way because Clottey is huge for any welter.

    What I am saying here is that instead of asking Cotto to come down, Pac could have gotten his weight up, which is what a fighter is supposed to do when he goes up in weight and challenges for the title instead of asking the others to come down in weight. He would feel just as good Im sure. And he has the body to do it.

    Pac could have added muscle to his body to get himself up to welter. He chose not to.
     
  13. Dustaine

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    Man, really, Clottey would need about 2 punches to put Chavez Jr. into orbit. Jr. is a lousy boxer.
     
  14. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then why is he still dicking around at welter? I understand if you are a Thomas Hearns and blasting people away but if you're struggling for years what's the point? It's like Paul Williams, not the best at welter imo, but better at higher weights, yet he wants to be there too. These fools need to get up to 154 and make that division more interesting, Margarito needs to as well.
     
  15. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    boxing is a business, this is their job. clottey has fought judah, he's fought margarito, he's fought cotto, and now he's fighting pacquaio, and if you can really help it, then why leave a division when you can get top fights like that?