Clottey .. no more than a gatekeeper

Exactly, he made a sensible decision.

And he's a lot better than a gatekeeper. If he's a gatekeeper what is Cotto? Cotto struggled like hell with the guy.

 

Boxing for a living is never a sensible decision or at least didn't used to be.

 

Look at Pac:

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I'm really not interesting in arguing it further, it's old news now, but personally I was just not overly impressed by Clottely's wider efforts in that fight, that's just the way I feel.

 

In other words, you are admitting defeat on this one Jon

 

I reckon Pacman could have avoided three quarters of the punches he did, by tapping Clotty on the gloves, cruising to an easy victory - taking the "sensible option" too, but...

 

Dunky, I come from the old school of thought, where if someone gets a shot at the champ, they go all out, give it all they have got, no matter what it takes to try and beat him.

I can't get with this new line of thinking that goes: "well if he protects himself well, doesn't try and fight", he may well be able to get another million or so, on top of the million he got today, for doing the same thing in his next fight.

I like boxing not accountancy.

Everything today seems to be about "calculated risk" etc...

 

Of course its sensible if thats where ones talents and passions lie.

Clottey was in a good position to make a decision in the fight. He didn't go out on his shield like the Internet warriors would have done but its very easy to be ballsy from an armchair when all said and done. If Clottey had of thrown even 100 more punches he would have been stopped when he was noticeably struggling in rounds 9 and 10.

 

Do you think Pac didn't put anything on the line against a guy a stone or so heavier? That he could have not been more sensible than he was?

Do you not think that he could have made it far easier on himself had he chose too? That he could have chosen a far more sensible option too.

 

Pac did things he simply didn't need to do, despite being way in front (6-0 half way through).

Yes I know it was easier for him to do so being such a superior fighter (that he stopped Clotty doing what he wanted to do), but he's not supposed to be the guy taking risks to get back in the fight.

 

That makes no sense. He's a tremendous fighter, he was never in danger at any point in the fight. He wasn't the one that had to weigh up any balance between offense and defense for fear of being KO'd later on. He could have made it easier by throwing 800 punches instead of 1200, thats about all I can think of.

 

I think Pac could have got caught less than he did and after getting the majority of rounds in the bag, he could have taken a lot of time off, like many other fighter do, he simply didn't.

I think he always tried to entertain, maybe he couldn't help himself in doing that, but I don't think he always applied "the sensible option"(like Clotty), despite himself cruising to an easy win.

 

You are talking about completely different things. Going the extra mile to put on a great performance when you are completely in control is not the same as taking prudent measures to ensure not being flattened when you are hopelessly out of your depth. A little common sense...

Round 9 and 10 showed to me Clottey JUST about did what he could, because he was showing distress signals in those rounds. He found some energy in the last round because the finishing line was in sight. But if he'd have gone all guns blazing in the early rounds and used up energy, or left himself open to more damage throughout the fight, he would have been KO'd at that point because he was badly struggling. What is the point when none of the punches he did land showed any effect? The only decision to be made was last the distance or get flattened, he chose not to go out on his shield but thats a decision for the fighter not internet people to take, we aren't taking the punches.

Look, I was pissed off with him in the Cotto fight because that was a situation where the whole fight was in his grasp but last night the situation was entirely different.

 

We shall just have to disagree to agree.

I see your logic I really do, but it doesn't change the way I feel about the fight.

I think it a bit unfair talking about, "Internet warriors" ect... at the end of the day we are all here to give an opinion and since when did it become a crime to criticise a boxers performance.

I was just wholly unimpressed with Clotty on the night, that is all and just feel (no matter how much pac was commanding things) Clotty could have tried to push things a little further than he did.

It's certainly not the worst performance I've ever seen, but personally I don't think it's a performance that deserves any great plaudits, and I just think he could have tried to push it a bit more - that just the way I feel.

 

It's not the criticizing performances, its when we're tapping away on keyboards asking guys to get KO'd and punished just for our entertainment I can't agree with. You know boxing as well as anybody, you know what the score was in that fight. Clottey could do **** all but get hit more and get KO'd. It wasn't a situation where he could have tried more and actually won or made any impact, if that was the case as it was against Cotto I'd be criticizing him as much as anyone.

He actually threw 400 punches which isn't awful. It's not great either for a welterweight, but what did you want, 500 or 600? Where do we draw the mark considering he was struggling late in the fight? He balanced it well keeping in mind his own strengths/weaknesses and the fact he wanted to last.