CMV: I think Usyk beats any version of Ali

I don't think you realize how fast and graceful a PRIME Ali was.
He is faster and he moves better as well. Now throw in a granite chin.
Heavyweights for YEARS have tried to mimic his style but could not.
I suggest you watch a prime Ali in action.

 

It's your opinion no one should tell you how dumb you are but I do think Usyk gets a tad overrated now I've never thought that highly of Joshua or Fury despite their size.

Fury almost lost to an MMA fighter and has been floored almost 10 times in his career despite not facing the best opposition.

Joshua hasn't really beaten anyone of note in the last 5 years and has been destroyed by Ruiz, Dubois, getting floored almost 10 times in just those 2 fights combined.

Whilst Usyk has beaten good fighters I don't think he's beaten anyone that could be classed as great or anywhere close to it in all honestly.

And a prime Ali would be a huge step up in competition.

 

I completely agree and have made similar points in every Usyk vs. Ali discussion. Usyk is technically superior, and his style specifically exploits weaknesses that Ali has shown in the past. Ali is often heavily overrated in head-to-head discussions here, and I believe he would lose to several heavyweights who came after his era. While his accomplishments and resume are undeniably great, his actual head-to-head skills tend to be exaggerated by many.

 

Usyk is an ATG. But there are levels with Fury, Dubois and AJ, to prime Ali.

 

I'm half Ukrainian and I can't stand Ali to put it mildly. That being said Usyk couldn't shine Ali's shoes. Ali beats Usyk 10 out of 10 times.

 

Ali couldn't even beat Norton 10 out of 10 times

 

And if you haven't noticed he fights nothing like Usyk

 

Norton was stylistically a hard fight for Ali. Unless you are an elite puncher, you won't get Norton out of there. Look at the hell he gave Larry Holmes. Usyk couldn't beat Norton 10 out of 10 times either.

 

I don't see how. Could he potentially lose to a Tyson or a Lewis? Sure. But he could also beat them. I don't see why you would definitively pick guys who came after him over him.

Which fighters are we talking about?

Tyson - maybe. But Ali is even quicker and is highly durable. He likely breaks Tyson down late in the fight as he is the tougher and more resilient one.

Holyfield - not a chance. Holyfield can't match Ali's speed and work rate even at his best.

Lewis - maybe. Lewis certainly has a fair chance. However, considering that even an aging Holyfield gave him a hard fight in their second fight, and that a Euro level guy like Marovic went the distance with him and got 3 rounds off him doesn't bode that well. Ali is the same size or bigger than Marovic and Holyfield, he is way faster than anyone Lewis ever faced, and he can maintain a high work rate. Close fight but i favour Ali.

Wlad - maybe

Usyk - maybe.

I don't know who these multiple post Ali fighters are that you would favour over him. Consider that Holyfield struggled with old Foreman, a man that Ali ko'd in his prime.

Could Usyk beat Ali? Maybe. But Usyk has never faced a faster fighter than himself in the pros. Let's watch footage of 67 Ali and compare him to 2021 Usyk. Ali has faster hands, faster feet and can maintain the same pace that Usyk can.

The advantages Usyk has over bigger men in speed and work rate don't translate here.

Ali wasn't perfect or unbeatable but he is certainly not overrated in a h2h sense. No one that Usyk beat could beat Ali. On the other hand, at least 3 guys Ali beat could potentially beat Usyk.

 

You're right Usyk is a way better pressure fighter

 

And Usyk has a similar style to Norton except way better soooo.....

 

Usyk is a great fighter but he’s not gonna be able to beat Ali, especially if we’re talking about a prime pre-exile version. The speed and combos that Ali possessed would trouble Usyk.

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Not really. Norton was an outright pressure fighter with cross armed defense. Usyk is a boxer who boxes in and out. Usyk does tend to pressure much bigger men like Fury but against guys closer to his size, he is more of a boxer.

 

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