CMV: I think Usyk beats any version of Ali

1. Did he really?

2. Ali and Tyson had such a profound affect, their opponents literally changed their styles, their appearance and their conduct.

I have listed Wlad’s issues in a previous post.

He wasn’t mentally equipped to have dealt with Ali.

Both inside and outside of the ring.

All the evidence is there.

 

Yeah Foreman said he was terrified of Frazier before their fight and we all know how that went..... Psychology doesn't win fights fighters do and stylistically Wlad poses many problems.

 

Foreman says a lot of things. He also said he was afraid of Jerry Quarry. Foreman knew that if he could push Joe to eliminate his inside game there was no way he could lose. I do believe some boxers were terrified of Mike Tyson, especially the pre prison iteration.

 

I’ve heard George say many things.

But the point is: It can win you fights.

We’ve seen it happen.

 

Very true, but we have some young prodigies too. Swag is still pretty young and then we have George, who remains a prodigy. Rough Diamond is another elite young poster who barely posts, unfortunately. I think his interest gets worn down pretty fast by the minority you speak of. DP is still young as well, another fine poster.

 

But it's not the deciding factor

 

Such a terrible, terrible post on multiple levels and it would be a woeful waste of time explaining why. 95% or more of the forum would see the holes in this post.

The irony.

 

I’ve tried it but then the other party kept disagreeing with me which then made me realise that I don’t actually agree with that.

 

Least you can do is have the balls to tag me.

 

Where are their parents? That’s what I want to know. I’ve said before this place needs a crèche. Too many free range kids running around.

 

I feel like someone is saying something to me, but I can't fully hear them.

 

Phew, that’s released the pressure valve a bit - I could’ve sworn that Loud was talking about me, though he did say “they” so I’m not out of the woods yet.

 

Not an argument try again.

 

Err, Foreman quite obviously wasn’t terrified?

Some people simply find it unnecessary to have to explain the bleeding obvious.

During the pre fight instructions George had the look of a homicidal maniac - and that’s exactly how he came out and fought.

George’s knees were trembling? Yeah right. Legs looked fine at first bell.

You want to see actual fear actually affecting a fighter’s legs and associated mobility? - see Ken Norton vs that very same “scaredy cat” George Foreman.

Foreman, with singularly bad intentions, def. had the psychological advantage in so far as Frazier being unrealistically complacent and coming in out of shape at 214 lb.

Btw, you said it’s not fair to factor a diminished version of Wlad but previously referenced a diminished version of Ali (vs Norton) yourself to make your “case”.

Try to keep your arguments way more tight and even handed.

People naturally do not want to waste time having to continually and repeatedly correct you - thus they walk away.

You on the other hand defer to pointless attrition and last word freaking with everyone

…..And, for someone who complains about ad hominem attacks - you’ve thrown around more than few derogatory terms and phrasings in this very thread without provocation.

 

@Ioakeim Tzortzakis is another, he's younger than me.