CMV: I think Usyk beats any version of Ali

David Haye was nothing compared to Muhammad.

So the comparison has no relevance.


Even a PRIME Wlad struggled with Peter and couldn’t fight Povetkin clean.


A prime Ali couldn’t have done anything but have eaten jabs and hooks all night?

I despair.


Seriously. What planet are you on.

You think that Wlad could easily have landed hooks and jabs, on a prime Ali?

With his incredible speed and reflexes??


Wlad was FAST for his SIZE.

But in a direct comparison, Ali’s speed was LEVELS above.


Look at their hand speed.

Their foot speed.

Their reflexes/reaction times.


The size of Wlad.

The elusiveness of a 60’s Ali.

It would have been incredibly difficult for Wlad to have jabbed and hooked Ali.


No doubt you’ll come back with something like “But Frazier and Cooper could, and Wlad was on another level”


You have no concept of styles.

No concept of size and angles.

No concept of speed.


You have no in-depth knowledge of these fighters.

 

He is being overrated, because people are claiming that he’d easily have beaten many greats of the past, without possessing the knowledge, that he’d have had issues with certain styles, just like every other fighter who’s ever fought had.

We have a guy on this very page, who believes that he’d easily have beaten Mike Tyson, without realising that Usyk doesn’t not possess the required attributes to have beaten a guy with that specific style.

It’s called recency bias.

Ignorance.

 

What attributes would those be?

Id be hesitant to favor Tyson overwhelmingly by simple virtue of Usyk being better than anyone he beat

 

And you have no concept of how styles actually work nor the technical side of boxing all you can do is repeat narratives and make argument based on vibes. Very low IQ behavior but alas that's all you can expect around here......

 

Usyk hasn’t got a great, long jab.

He only has respectable power, nothing more.

He hasn’t got great inside fighting skills, and has shown vulnerabilities to body shots and being pressured.


Usyk is a genius.

A chess master.

A technician.


Mike was a ferocious, switch hitting, power punching pressure fighter.

You needed to beat him down to get rid of him.


Mike wouldn’t have given Usyk the time and the space needed to have boxed at mid range.

He’d have swarmed all over him and suffocated him on the inside.


Usyk hasn’t got the strength or the power to have stopped or deterred Mike from pouring forward aggressively at every opportunity.

He hasn’t got the attributes to have beaten a fighter like that.


It’s nothing to do with how highly you rank them.

Who you think is the better, more skilled guy.

It’s styles.


Stylistically, a prime Mike Tyson would have been a terrible fight for a technician with limited power.

 

How you can type something like this is simply STAGGERING.

STAGGERING.


I debated you a few months ago.


I said:

Frazier would have caused Usyk issues with his swarming stye, pressure and stamina.


Your answer:

“How could somebody smaller than Usyk have beaten/troubled him, when Usyk has beaten two huge SHW’s”


You have ZERO boxing knowledge.

ZERO.

 

I have way more then you plus I actually watch fights. Try again

 

I don’t have to try again.

Everybody reading this thread can see our dialogue that I’ve just highlighted.


My Grandad boxed in the navy.

And if I’d have asked him a similar question, even as a kid, he’d have just sighed and given me a look.


You do not possess knowledge.

A knowledgeable fan would never have asked such a silly question.

 

Cool story bro no one cares.

 

Every knowledgeable fan reading this thread will care.

Simply because, they’d all be embarrassed to have asked the question that you have asked, and they’ll relate to sheer stupidity of it.

I don’t like kicking a guy when he’s down.

But you bring it upon yourself.

 

Usyk being better than anyone Mike beat, has zero relevance here.

All you’re focusing on, is how they have matched up on the night stylistically.

 

Watching an idiot talk to himself is truly amazing keep it up!

 

Well reading your horrific posts certainly isn’t.

So go and educate yourself and then come back at some point in the future.

Go and learn something.

I’m done for today.

 

No u

 

I think it's quite clear a boxer with mediocre power is going to struggle against an elite swarmer that's just stylistically a bad match up for a boxer type unless they concussive power which Usyk does not.

I don't see Usyk being able to Frazier coming forward when Ali couldn't and I think Ali has shown better feats in regards to stoppages against notable Heavyweights.