CMV: I think Usyk beats any version of Ali

MorningSage · Feb 1, 2025

Loudon said: ↑

First of all, neither guy has ever seen anything like the other.

Ali never saw such a skilled southpaw in his entire career.

Likewise, Usyk has never ever seen anybody with that level of speed, with such an unorthodox style.

You say there’s nothing that Usyk couldn’t have dealt with, yet he’s simply never faced anything like a prime Ali.

Both had respectable power, but not huge power.

This would have been a technical chess match, where they’d have gone feint for feint.

You’ve mentioned a few things here which aren’t really relevant.

Yes, Ali was vulnerable to Frazier’s left hook, and his relentless, aggressive style.

Yet Usyk doesn’t possess those same attributes.

Usyk nullifying Fury’s uppercut also has zero relevance here.

Usyk does not have impregnable fundamentals.

You think that a 60’s Ali would have made it competitive?

He’d have made more than just competitive.

You are giving Usyk far too much credit here, whilst completely glossing over the fact that Ali had much faster hand speed, much faster feet, and much faster reflexes.

If it’s a technical fight, between two guys of the exact same height, reach, weight and power, then I’d go with the faster, more elusive and proven one of the two.
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The point about the uppercut is Usyk can make midfight adjustments very well. Ali obviously was good with adjustments. But with Frazier, he wasn't able to do nullify that left hook during the first. I haven't seen his first Norton fight in a while, but similarly he just didn't seem to have a definitive answer to him that night.

Of course Usyk isn't as aggressive as Fraizer, but I'm saying he won't get tired and will absolutely keep up the pressure on Ali all night long. He's the kind of fighter that simply won't give Ali a break.

Point taken about the southpaw left hook.

Loudon · Feb 1, 2025

MorningSage said: ↑

The point about the uppercut is Usyk can make midfight adjustments very well. Ali obviously was good with adjustments. But with Frazier, he wasn't able to do nullify that left hook during the first. I haven't seen his first Norton fight in a while, but similarly he just didn't seem to have a definitive answer to him that night.

Of course Usyk isn't as aggressive as Fraizer, but I'm saying he won't get tired and will absolutely keep up the pressure on Ali all night long. He's the kind of fighter that simply won't give Ali a break.

Point taken about the southpaw left hook.
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He found it very difficult against Frazier, because Frazier suffocated him on the inside.

Frazier was his stylistic nemesis.

Ali didn’t have the power to stop him from swarming in on him.

Frazier cut down his time and space.

Ali made adjustments to neutralise the strengths of many other of his opponents.

Yes, I would expect Usyk to have kept pace with Ali. But Ali had great stamina in his 60’s prime, and he had a superior speed advantage, with great reflexes/reactions, from a very unconventional style.

Ali could have beaten him to the punch.

Again, Usyk may have been cautious due to Ali’s great speed.

Dynamicpuncher · Feb 2, 2025

themaster458 said: ↑

All I see is a loser coping that he got reked at the same game he plays with everyone but when he gets a taste of it himself he whines. Cry more your tears are hilarious!
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The fact a 36 year old man says stuff like "rekt" on a boxing forum and thinks debating is some type of game of winning/losing shows you're a complete numpty.

Good riddance BTW don't let the door hit you on your way out.

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