Cocoa Kid -A Mystery No More.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes.
     
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  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That last one was, yes. And the next one will be too, because I had to negotiate my way through a ton of newspaper clippings and then present a case. Despite little quips like "the sidewalks were built too close to their shoulders," this one was unavoidably geared toward boxing historians and analysts (like you), though the next one reads like a throwaway script from "The Harder They Fall."

    The trick is to make it interesting and to refrain from mere regurgitation of facts.

    You're reading old fight reports too. I don't know about you, but I really identify with the wit apparent in those. For example, Cocoa Kid knocked Frankie Carlton out cold and that's great, but remember that he did it in 1933 -the height of the Great Depression. So what does the Holyoke daily say? "... Carlton was out like many of our bankers." That makes me smile.

    But, yeah, much of this is written to shed light and end mysteries, and so it has to be less poetic (than say, "Onward, Christian Soldier" which required no sources except my eyes) and more -evidentiary- if you will.
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 17, 2011
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  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Love the way you write out the fights Stoney. You woulda made some great newspaper reports back in the day.
     
    Swarmer, Mar 17, 2011
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  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Really looking forward to the rest of it. You might not have uncovered all the shady stuff, but the impression I get is, you have waded in with a spotlight and lit up what you could.

    These next few essays better come soon!

    Are they going to be in the journal? Or just the corrections to his record like the Chase stuff?

    I love the old newspapers reporting style. Another thing, aside from the wit, is the technical observations they make. Nowadays, you can read a fight report and not learn anything about the fighters style, but back then you learned how the fighters fought the fight.
     
    GPater11093, Mar 18, 2011
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  5. SNOOPBEE

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    HARDWICK, LOUIS-BORN- 13 Apr 1910 GA DIED- Oct 1976- 66- 45405 (Dayton, Montgomery, OH) (none specified) Ohio 298-05-2809
     
    SNOOPBEE, Mar 21, 2011
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  6. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jeff Ryan plugged into that spirit back in the pre-Tyson 80s. He was ruthless in his quips about the out of shape, bloated heavyweight boxers littering up the division.

    Two of my favorites were "This potential for this bout must lookas good for Nelson as the dinner table looks to James Broad on Thanksgiving Day..." and "Until a better heavyweight comes along we're just going to have to be content with being hypnotized by Tony Tubbs' jiggling breasts once again..."

    Ryan was brutal...and absolutely hilarious.

    I am also holding back my commentary until the series is complete. Looking forward to it.:smoke
     
    Surf-Bat, Mar 22, 2011
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  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Read part one now. Great introduction, makes you hunger for the the rest. I´m tempted to read the second part now but I will let some time pass before doing so since you said it´s intended to be read part for part. Can´t imagine how hard it was to dig up some of the information. Quite some time you invested in these series I guess. No wonder so many myth were around from where and who Cocoa Kid actually was.
     
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  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cuoco emailed "Chasing Jack Chase" as a pdf file to all members. I'd like to see it either in that form or in the journal. I don't know -it's up to him.
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 22, 2011
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  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you believe that this man was Cocoa Kid, the "Lou Hardwick" who fought in Atlanta in the late 20s/early 30s (and theoretically gave his license to Juan Cepero), or both?
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 22, 2011
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  10. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Jiggling breasts"--?! I couldn't write that -my mom reads my stuff!

    Yes, he and some others had a knack for it, but its gotta be done well or not at all. A good rule of thumb is that if you write such a quip and it makes you laugh, it'll probably work.
     
    Stonehands89, Mar 22, 2011
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  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Ring magazine currently has a few guys who try to be funny and informal, it really does not come off though.

    The only person who makes me laugh is Jim Bagg and it takes a while to get his humour.
     
    GPater11093, Mar 22, 2011
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  12. SNOOPBEE

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    yes i do
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, ****ing Bagg, took me months and months to warm to him.
     
    McGrain, Mar 22, 2011
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  14. SNOOPBEE

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    Subject: Cocoa Kid in NYC


    "The Cocoa Kid, great welterweight of the 30's and 40's, is a wino derelict along New York's Tenth Avenue" from Police Gazette Jan. 1961
     
    SNOOPBEE, Mar 22, 2011
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  15. SNOOPBEE

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    How do i upload a picture of ceparo
     
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