Cocoa Kid -A Mystery No More.

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  1. SNOOPBEE

    SNOOPBEE New Member Full Member

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    the story was written by bill ebel police gazette editor at the time
     
  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If your theory is that "Louis Hardwick" (whose death certificate you reproduced) fought in Georgia and then gave his license to Cepero and Cepero became Cocoa Kid, it is an interesting one, but it isn't correct.

    Did you get a chance to read parts 1 and 2 of this new series?
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm familiar with that claim, but frankly, I'm not sure whether it is reliable or not. It was claimed by the Police Gazette -which was well known for sensationalizing stories.
     
  4. SNOOPBEE

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    WAS JERSEY JONES CO EDITOR OF RING MAGAZINE KNOWN FOR sensationalizing STORIES AS WELL AND WHEN HE BOXED IN PUERTO RICO HARDWICK WAS DESCRIBED A A SLUGGING NORTH AMERICAN NEGRO WHO WAS MANAGED BY JIMMY DUNN WHO ALSO MANAGED BAT BATTALINO FROM NEW HAVEN AND FREDDIE MILLER FROM OHIO WHERE HARDWICK WAS LAST SET TO FIGHT
     
  5. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What did Jersey Jones have to say?

    In any event, I don't know if Cocoa Kid ended up a wino. If there is more to that story than one line in the Police Gazette, I'd be curious as to what it is.

    Lewis Hardwick boxed first in Georgia, circa 1928 or 1929 and then went to Puerto Rico. Many new professionals are -or try to be- sluggers. In Atlanta, Hardwick was known for his busy hands and a good punch. That is not dissimilar from Cocoa Kid in '32 in New Haven -busy hands, good punch. He was hooked up with seasoned trainers Blondi and Brown by his sponsor -Harry Durant. His first manager in Atlanta was his uncle -E.A. Robinson, who was the manager of a sandwich shop.

    Louis Hardwick, whose death certificate you reproduced here, was not Lewis Hardwick who had some fights at the Elk's Rest in Atlanta. Elk's Rest was on the black side of the city and was a "colored" establishment. Those fights were all-black fights. White fighters were not on those cards.

    Now, Louis Hardwick was born in 1910 and died in Dayton, Ohio in '76.

    --He was white.
     
  6. SNOOPBEE

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    Jersey jones told me as well as herb goldman that the first time he remembered seeing cocoa kid fight was on a couple of kid chocolate undercards in ny ,pedro montinez also told jose corpus the author of boxing history in nyc that cocoa kid was not puerto rican ,cocoa told wes ramey he was from cuba ,he also spoke 5 languges which is very uncommon
    for an american or puerto rican student,however not uncommon in cuba nowhere in your story yet do i see a reference to jimmy dunn who was hardwicks mgr and accomaneed him to puerto rico --dunn managed battalino and freddie miller ,and brought hardwick to ohio to box with miller i have newspaper clippings to that ,
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It allowed to save web-page as PDF-file before, now that option is gone?
     
  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Quite a few things got lost in the revamp of the site, man. I'll check with them and see what can be done about the pdf.
     
  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    According to one clipping, he spoke three languages. According to another, he spoke six. I know for certain that he was at least bi-lingual. After that, it's more speculative than evidentiary.

    You know that there was plenty of rumors and misinformation out there about Cocoa Kid. However, evidence stronger than hearsay has come to light -and it overwhelmingly supports that case that Cocoa Kid's legal name was Herbert Lewis Hardwick, that he was the son of a black American seaman and a Puerto Rican, that he was born in 1914, that he fought in Georgia, Puerto Rico, and probably Florida, before coming north to New Haven, etc.

    There's plenty that won't be mentioned in the series. And some of it I wish I could have included. It has to be readable. Overwhelming the text with facts and factoids is for legal briefs, not this.

    Cocoa Kid went through managers like I go through a box of Oreo cookies. Jack Portney had a manager by the name of George Sheppard -who later became Cocoa Kid's manager, and that wasn't unusual back then (that's him in the photograph of the latest installment). His first manager was his uncle, as noted, and the manifest of the Ponce has the name "Herbert L. Hardwick," as well as the name of his uncle plainly printed on it along with ages and addresses.

    -That's some strong evidence as to who Cocoa Kid was.

    Add that to census reports, government documents, and the draft card of Lewis Herbert Hardwick (his father) -and you have proof that outweighs hearsay, faulty human memory, and even newspaper clippings.

    Don't get me wrong about newspaper clippings. They can be weighty, and I'd love to see your clippings of Hardwick in Ohio -or a reference (name of paper and date).
     
  10. GPater11093

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    Great third part. Really enjoyed it. Even if it was just a little uncovering of one little event in the Kid's history, this sort of stuff needs telling.

    Is part 4 more of the same?
     
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  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That incident just uncovered/covered may have changed the trajectory of his whole career. Cocoa Kid was going places... and suddenly he wasn't ...no matter how good he became. I couldn't state what is a suspicion as if it were fact, but the hint is there.

    Part 4 is a different tilt. It touches on boxing and race in the 30s and puts you in the ring with him against Baltimore's Jack Portney.
     
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    I'd say that strengthens the defense's case, considering Cepero doesn't look much like Hardwick at all (from what we can tell) and the papers spell the name "Lew" not "Lou", as was your contention on a different board.
     
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    According to the North Adams Transcript Cocoa Kid had recently arrived in Connecticut from West Palm Beach, Fla.