Why would he have told his friends all his boxing career he was a cuban do you think he was bipolar by the way hardwick would not have been prevented by his age from fighting in puerto rico because as late as the 1970,s wilfredo benitez was fighting at age 15 there as a pro and im not even sure there was a puerto rican boxing commission at that time in fact there was no state athletic comm in fl until the early 1980,s
There are an awful lot of references to Cocoa Kid as a Puerto Rican that begin as far as I can tell in 1932. He was also called "the Georgia Negro" all over the place early on. He seems to have made no bones about telling reporters that he was Puerto Rican during this time. To be sure, I did find references to him as Cuban but these were often very brief fight reports. The detailed ones (in several states) refer to him as Puerto Rican if they discuss his ethnicity at all. As to his age and birthdate, he was stated as 18 years old when he faced Kid Kaplan in February 1933 -and from the streets of Georgia. Cepero would have been 26. There are several references in CT newspapers in the early 30s that report that he was brought to New Haven from the "southland" or from "Florida" by Durant.
The pleasure is mine, Senya. I don't have the slightest idea if the audience reading this series is any larger than ESB Classic and a few other interested parties, but that's okay. Your regard for them counts for much.
he himself told wes ramey he was cuban he told pedro montinez he was not puerto rican and judge durant told promoter manny liebert he was bringing in a cuban boxer named cocoa kid that gabe menendez had recomended to him from the cuban club in tampa nows its possiable he used another name and boxed as a cuban there -i am agreeing with you more and more it seems to be hardwick the only drawback is that when he boxed in cuba there should have been a manifest or passport with his name on it -----once that shows up its end of story as he could not have travled to cuba under name of cocoa kid
Remember though, I gave you something damn near as good -a ship's manifest from 1930 when he was returning from Puerto Rico. And in part 8 you'll see something even better -that is, where he is now. As to who you know who said what and when it was said, I'll give you an example. The guy pictured in the current segment of the series beside Cocoa Kid is a manager out of NYC I'm sure you knew or knew of -George Sheppard. He was another one who had a stint managing Cocoa Kid. In 1961, he said that they had everyone duped into believing that Cocoa Kid was actually a Puerto Rican who couldn't speak a lick of English. This must have been when Cocoa Kid came out to Baltimore to face Jack Portney (whom Sheppard managed) in 1936. He said that Cocoa Kid was actually "as much an American Negro as Joe Louis." (See the Introduction to "Just Watch Mah Smoke.") Now, when I first saw that, I declared to myself "HEY! I GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT! HE AIN'T A PR OR A CUBAN!" But then I had to corroborate that story ...and that's when the problem arose. See, if Sheppard was being accurate about his devising this PR scheme to make a foreigner out of this fighter, then it would make sense that there would have been no reference to his being a Puerto Rican before 1936. But there are actually several going as far back as 1933. See what I'm saying? Sheppard, who managed him during his prime was quoted in a respectable newspaper (The Sun 4/16/61) sent me on a wild goose chase. I was hoping he was right because the whole project would have been a helluva lot easier. The newspapers weren't much help. It turned out that the Boston Globe calls him a Puerto Rican in March of '35 and then two months later, they're calling him a cuban. I don't think most reporters knew the difference. Either that or they were just lazy. Now, it is possible that when he was campaigning in Florida, a manager suggested that he be billed as a Cuban. Why not? It would make sense! He could speak Spanish and Florida is only what -90 miles from Cuba- so there was a large Cuban population down there. Long story short --no one was right. Cocoa Kid wasn't Cuban. But he wasn't a Puerto Rican or a black American either --he was a Puerto Rican and a black American. He was born in Mayaguez to a Puerto Rican named Myrtice Arroyo who was impregnated by an African American father who moved them both to Atlanta when he was still an infant. And this is why he is, again and again, assumed to have been born in Georgia.
If you do something on old joe walcott let me know---------- he was not even born in barbados and lived well beyond 1935
I've gone off track a bit with SNOOPBEE's input. Is the stuff by Bos and DeLisa over on CBZ just covering the same ground ...... or is it what they're saying bollocks?
Bos's theory as to Cocoa Kid's origin is discussed on a link from the boxrec forum provided early in the thread. It is an interesting read involving several well-respected boxing historians. Listen, this kind of murky history is very difficult to illuminate. Bos defended what he believes (or believed) very well and with evidence. I went on a different track and managed to find new information, looked at it objectively, filled in holes with additional evidence -be it material or circumstantial, and made what I believe is a very compelling case, but no researcher or historian has a monopoly on the Truth.
Just had the chance to read the 1st 3 installments. Fascinating stuff, looking forward to seeing what the rest of the series has in store.
Well, "truth" is on a continuum. If someone asked me who has the "Truth," I point up. There are opinions backed by speculation, and then you have opinions backed by evidence. I am pretty confident that what you're reading in this series is heavily backed by a lot of evidence and is conclusive. You can decide for yourself what's what.
I am reading this thread with interest. I would like to point out that up to the time of the Boxrec thread in 2006, nobody questioned the fact that Cocoa Kid's real name was Lew Hardwick. But as my mentor Hank Kaplan said many times however, start with the assumption that everything you read in the ring record book is wrong. Jersey Jones told Bos and Herb Goldman that the first time he saw Cocoa Kid was on several Kid Choclate undercards. This sparked my interest because my family managed Kid Chocolate at that time. However, Cocoa Kid did not appear on any of those Kid Chocolate bouts. So we started looking at any possible alias. Juan Cepero seemed a likely candidate. At the time, virtually nobody on earth recalled the name of Juan Cepero. As we looked at Cepero, we realized he was a top fighter who disappeared. As we looked at Cocoa Kid, there were indications he was Cuban, having been fighting in West Palm Beach and Tampa shortly before he turns up in New Haven. The one thing I know I wrote is that we needed more documentation and newspaper research. I thought it would be found in the CT papers. But I did not have the time to follow up because of other reserach projects -- at about the same time Bos was screwed by the NYSAC and moved to Florida. Our research at the NYPL was put on hold. Apparently you found a report in the MA papers directly stating that Hardwick was the Coca Kid and the circumstances for his name change. I am looking forward to your publishing that clip. If you have any other documents -- such as his voyage to Cuba in 1947 -- I'd like to see that also. The newspaper articles I saw said he came from West palm in 1932; the Hartford paper reporting his first fight there said he was from Miami.. The harford Currant from June 30, 1932 says Durant brought him up from Florida. The 1940 Menendez article confirmed that Kid had been fighting in Florida. I have no vested interest in any of even my own theories -- I am only interested in the truth. I hope our earlier speculations were of some guidance for your research. Best, Mike DeLisa ps -- I have one clip from the Balt. Afro-American from April 18, 1931 reporting a Cocoa Kid fighting in Washington DC.