Colin Hart's top 5 all time welterweights.

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In today's Sun newspaper it's long serving boxing scribe,Colin Hart gave us his top five 147 lb men -

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Jose Napoles
    Barney Ross
    Ted 'Kid' Lewis


    I definitely agree with numbers one and two. Good cases can be made for 3 - 5. What does everyone else think ?
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Nothing really badly wrong there.
    Britton
    McLarnin
    Hearns
    Whittaker
    Armstrong
    Trinidad
    DelaHoya
    Pacquiao
    Mayweather
    Gavilan
    There's a lot of quality at147lbs!
     
  3. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

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    Lewis a bit too high, for me. Borderline top 10 Welter but never top five for me. Given that he hammered a slightly worn but still top-down Ross, made more defences of the true 147 lb title than even any alphabet titlist has made of their belt I'm a little surprised that Hart hasn't got Armstrong in there. He's not quite the head-to-head monster at 147 that he is at 135, but I couldn't leave a guy with that record out of the top five.

    Could change any day but I'd probably go 1) Robinson 2) Leonard 3) Armstrong 4) Napoles 5) Gavilan
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Surely Britton is locked above Lewis?
     
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  5. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    he got the only ko out of their 799 fights, didnt he ?
     
  6. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i'd assume he felt to, or was told to try and include a british fighter, but in fairness after the top 3/4 there are a bunch of names to pick from.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah that's right, in an ND fight too so it was the only way for him to win that fight. Non-puncher knocking out a guy who doesn't get knocked out.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    I think Ray Leonard's overrated there. I suppose it depends on how high you rate Benitez, Hearns and Duran as welters.
     
  9. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what's the reasons for having napoles so low Ra's?
     
  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Colin Hart and the rest of you guys are being too hard on the great masters from the 19th century!

    Take a look at the all-time top 5 welterweights in the opinion of Tracy Callis... a historian who has spent a lifetime studying the old-timers, and someone who should know what he's talking about:

    1 - Sugar Ray Robinson
    2 - Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
    3 - Kid McCoy
    4 - Tommy Ryan
    5 - Joe Walcott
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm surprised you read the sun for a start.as for those five, the two rays must be in plus tommy hearns.
    The other two I don't know.
     
  12. Brixton Bomber

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    Ray is one of the finest WW's ever!
     
  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hearns over Leonard ? What's your reasoning on this ?
     
  14. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Yes, but I don't think he did enough to be placed #2 of all-time in that weight class. He won the title in '79, lost it in '80, won it back in '80, and made his last defence in '82 .. and never fought as a WW again. Only 32 fights as a welter, maybe 10 against contenders, total.
    Like I said, you'd have to rate Benitez, Duran and Hearns as truly elite ATG welters too, to make that case.

    With the competition for places in the WW all-time list being up against some champions who had 100, 200, 300+ fights sometimes mostly at that weight.
     
  15. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Surprisingly he went 13-1 against top 10 guys. Which is not insignificant.