Coming Soon - In the Ring With Jack Johnson Part II: The Reign

Its possibly telling that many who saw Jeffries in his prime thought that the Johnson of Reno would have beaten any version of Jeffries?:think

 

What an amazing book filled with golden nuggets ..

I'm up to the Jeffries pre-fight build up post contract signing and one thing that is so interesting is to see just how long Jeffries prepared for this fight and how much he shot off his mouth in the most arrogant, insulting way to and regarding Johnson for so long.

Jeffries slowly began to start to get into shape not long after Johnson beat Burns and was well into it by the time Johnson was fighting Ketchel. A large portion of his weight was down and he was running and in some form of training regularly .. at the same time he ripped into Johnson daily describing how much he hated the man and what he would do to him .. time and again Jeffries stated he was feeling terrific and would never make the fight if he did not feel 100 percent.

I have a lot more to go ( while loving every page ) but man did this guy put his foot in his mouth on every front .. I can say the book confirms what I have long thought and that Jeff was no victim, drafted to fight a battle he never wanted ... I am seeing a man drunk on his own Kool Aid , making money hand over fist on tours as he slowly worked his way into shape shooting off his mouth like an arrogant king ..

On another note there is a passage where it is detailed that Johnson's reach was measured by a medical staff from a top hospital and his reach was over 78" and not the 74" that seems to be the normal accounting .. this may be true as endless times his "significant" reach is detailed in his victories over his opponents ..

 

Fitzsimmons who sat Ringside said Jeffries wasn't a quarter of the fighter he fought. The story in the ring was Jeffries did not come back. 6 years of no fights, and being fat took its toll.

Who said this?

 

I doubt this. There is a photo of Johnson standing behind Choynski, with each man stretching their arms out. Choynski looked slightly taller and a bit longer in reach. Johnson has broader shoulders but shorter arms.

The striking distance advantage Johnson had was over much shorter opponents. Height plays a huge role when targeting the head. Burns at 5'7" had to reach way up to land head shots, while Johnson straight shot at shoulder length lined up perfectly with Burns's face / chin. The more you reach up, the less striking distance you have.

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Why not educate yourself and buy the book?

 

WTF! Johnson was taller than Choynski.

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Some say Choysnki was 6'1" tall. Johnson was just a shade over 6 feet tall. What is clear is Choynski has slightly longer reach from fingertip to fingertip. I have read 75" for Choysnki's reach, which makes Johnson's reach very likely 74" as generally listed. Johnson's arms however were a little short.

Why not buy the book? I've read enough on Johnson. I don't want to glorify a bad guy who beat on women, broke laws, and did not face the best out there as champion. As stated before, if I bought the book I could use the information as inconvenient truths.

I'd rather buy something new. I do not know a lot about Willard, and his story offers some uncharted waters for me.

Reportedly shortly after the Johnson vs. Willard fight Johnson spoke to his old manager and told him the Willard had loosed his golden teeth.

Johnson chose not to spit them out onto the canvas because they would have reflected in the sun for the crowd to see. Instead he swallowed his own golden teeth.

Maybe Adam will let us know in the Willard book

 

No, some do not say that Choynski was an inch under 6 foot, Johnson was 6' .25" The photo you are referring to was posted by me a while ago, it was taken in Chicago in either 1908 or 9 I believe ,its one of a set of 4. I have all of them.

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I posted last year about Johnson having his gold teeth loosened and how he swallowed them rather than let the crowd see. He didnt tell his old manager, he told Barney Curley when he went down to collect his purse the day after the fight. Its detailed in Unforgivable Blackness which you claim to have read .Strange you didn't see that?:think
You cant find anything inconvenient to me unlike you, I always embrace the truth.
How does buying a book glorify its subject?:huh
If someone purchased Mein Kampf would that make them a fan of Hitler?
Your sticking point is the do re mi $$$$

If you thought you could reinforce your lies by buying this great book you would beg,borrow or steal the dough.
It covers everything from Jeffries butting Johnson and reopening his cut lip,[ caused by sparring as I told you,]


Jack Welch the referee
said he thought Johnson would have won even if Jeffries was prime.

Here is a direct quote from him.

" I am sure that Johnson could have beaten Jeffries when the white champion was in his prime.
If Johnson fought the battle he did at Reno,Jeffries could never have beaten that black man, never in the days of his prime."


Joe Choynski said Jeffries lacked courage not condition,he said 3 days before the fight he was the invincible giant of 6 years ago but his courage faltered and he suffered a mental collapse .

Tex Rickard who refereed the fight said that during the fight Johnson allowed Jeffries to punch him in the stomach.here is a direct quote," He just pulled his right hand away ,leaving Jeff's free,and then he told him to punch him in the stomach.Jeff did and then Johnson offered him a chance to punch him there again. Well Jeff pulled his hand back to send in the other one, but like a flash Johnson uppercut him on the jaw."

. In the second round in one of the clinches Johnson tilted Jeff's head with a right uppercut,using his right Johnson pushed Jeffries left arm back as if in a hammerlock.,in the middle of the round , they exchanged and everyone said," now wait till the **** feels that bear strength " However ,Johnson lifted Jeffries and set him aside a foot ,easily and gracefully ,without effort.That stunned everyone and they groaned.Robert Edgren then said ,"it's all over." Tom Sharkey said "My God it's no contest"!

That was the second round in a fight you claimed Jeffries held his own in until he tired in the middle rounds! I dont want to reveal any more ,suffice to say that book is jammed solid with facts and multiple accounts from primary sources.

Your problem with Johnson is soley his colour and that is a well established fact.

NB I've found loads that you will just hate in the second volume already .:yep It's packed with primary sourced information.

Oh I forgot ,you don't know what a primary source is do you?:-(

 

I'll keep this short and avoid the rest of the garbage. I think Johnson is POS, and propped up by some for racial reasons. The black intellectuals of the time did not like him and he had trouble in many places outside of the USA. If he wasn't the first black heavyweight champion there's no way he would be as celebrated as he is today. If he was around today with the same behavior, he would have been jailed as well.

I think his defeats to Choynski, Klondike, Griffin and Hart are telling as they were Not small, very young, light or green as some of Johnson's more famous victories were.

I think Willard was the he fought in a title match, and he lost. I think O'Brien out boxed him, and another middle in Ketchel likley floored him with a punch. Drawing with a journeyman in Battling Johnson rounded out a sub par title reign which avoided the 3-5 best fighters out there. What type of heavyweight champion is this?

We agree he was often boring in the ring. At times I think he was a dirty fighter too ( low blows, hitting on breaks, pinching arms, etc.., ) And he was a punk / disrespectful in the ring. Other times he dogged it and ripped off the paying customers. Nothing in this book will prove that false.

No, some do not say that Choynski was an inch under 6 feet tall??? What type of double negative is this? I've seen 5'11 to over 6 feet tall for Choynski.

It appears your bothered because Choynski is a little taller and longer in the arms in the posted photo. Both are bare foot in the photo.

 

You call direct quotes from Adam's book garbage .
I could tell you how he has discovered multiple opinions and quotes about all Johnson's title defences ,how no one thought O Brien was entitled to the verdict ,and the best he had done against a fat undertrained Johnson was a draw.
I could tell you that Johnson and O Brien gave their weights but did not weigh in for that fight.

I could tell you that O Brien himself said that over a longer distance he would not beat Johnson , but what's the point?
You are a racist hater who has a closed mind, a very small mind.
Did Johnson f*ck your great grandmother by any chance ?

Now show me a primary source that has Joe Choynski at 6'1"

Joe Choynski Global ID 10540 *** male birthdate 1868-11-08 death date 1943-01-24 (74) division heavyweight stance orthodox height 5′ 11″ / 180cm alias Chrysanthemum Joe country USA residence San Francisco, California, USA

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rounds boxed 450 Newspaper Decisions

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rounds boxed 28
Total Bouts 84 KO% 46.43

Adam's second volume is a great reference work on the first black champion.

As such it is anathema to a bigot like yourself.

 

The book sounds amazing. I'm happy so many Johnson fans are happy and fans of boxing history in general. I hope to start Adam's collection in chronological order in the fall.

 

The first volume" The Rise" is terrific,and the second one , " The Reign," from what I have read so far , may surpass it!

Adam's in depth research is astonishing !

I think I'll have to start collecting his earlier champions biographies.:good

 

Whatever your opinion of Johnson the man is, his ability in the ring and his importance outside the ring certainly warrant a two volume study. And sounds like Adam has done the quintessential version of that story for boxing lovers. Enjoy! Looking forward to it myself soon.

 

ATB with it.:good

 

Pathetic this thread has degraded to yet another mcvey v mendoza argument. You guys are such tools.