Coming to a Consensus on the P4P Hardest Puncher Ever

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by The Undefeated Lachbuster, Nov 21, 2018.


Hardest P4P Puncher

  1. Earnie Shavers

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  2. Julian Jackson

    18 vote(s)
    52.9%
  3. Bob Fitzsimmons

    11 vote(s)
    32.4%
  4. Jimmy Wilde

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I misread.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    They must have been a fine batch of heavyweights. He'd be destroyed fighting heavies as a middle in later era's.

    What light heavyweight hit as hard as Frazier? He wasn't exactly feather fisted and was known as a damn hard puncher in his day. You've already conceded Foster to be the biggest punching 175 ever.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    It would be a miracle if he made the top 20 punchers (with no weight consideration as you imply) today let alone ever.
     
  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    With the exception of deontay Wilder, we don't even have any big, arguably top 15 level punchers. So I highly doubt that.

    If Fitz was here today he'd probably be the 2nd hardest puncher, next to Wilder. Maybe 3rd next to AJ.
     
  5. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Langford and Walcott (original) deserve a mention considering how they were able to carry their punch against much larger fighters. Personally I feel Satterfield was the hardest puncher pretty much a super middleweight by today standards and knocked out heavyweights cold, freaky power.

    Voted for Jackson when looking at guys like Fitz, Langford and Walcott they wore smaller gloves in those days which can affect the power although less protection for their hands so goes both ways.
     
  6. Minotauro

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    Jack Johnson said the opposite that Choynski was a bigger puncher also spoke very highly of Ketchel power. Its difficult to truly say.
     
  7. Minotauro

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    Although he doesn't have the greatest records didn't pretty much everyone that fought Curtis Sheppard say he was the hardest puncher they faced, Moore spoke very highly of his power above Rocky according to him. Also regarding Shavers according to James Tills, Tyson hit like a "homosexual" compared to Shavers.

    T/s you might be interested in this, a lot of quotes regarding hardest hitters:
    http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35237&sid=3e9b9e545fae8768ec00ce6e34f87c0b
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Just to be clear you are saying Fitz at 160 pounds or less hits harder than every guy in the world today excepting Wilder and maaaaaaaaybe Joshua?
     
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Yes.

    Just as how Fitz hit harder than the 220lbs Jeffries, or the 260lbs Dunkhorst.

    Genetic freak.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    I will readily go on record saying as of right now Lennox Lewis and Wlad would have more power than any version of Fitz.....................for starters.

    I see the question asked all the time where are the 190 pound heavyweights in the last 50 or more years ruling the division. The same can be said about 160 pound guys knocking out heavyweights and hitting harder than most heavies. Any referral to GGG will be laughed upon.

    Barbados Joe Walcott is another that many would refer to as being able to ko front line heavyweights at 5'2 and not many pounds. It sure wouldn't be happening in the last 40 years. He may have even been somewhat of a genetic freak but there are limits and common sense. Not only were heavyweights weaker on the whole back then but sensationalism was quite healthy as well.
     
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  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I've addressed this before, the 190lbs guys are in cruiserweight. They stay in cruiserweight. Now Usyk is coming up, and it'd be funny if he conquered the division. Middleweights stick to their dicision because there's actual money in Middleweight now, unlike in the 1800s, when, if you wanted real money, you had to go up to heavy, even as a welterweight/middleweight. Some succeeded like Tommy Burns, some didn't.

    I don't think Joe Walcott beats this division, he didn't even beat his own division (at heavywieght). Also there's proof that Walcott was like 5'6".

    There are heavyweight champs that have a natural weight at like 200 but just balloon up because they have no conditioning. Stiverne, Bellew and Povetkin are all 200lbs naturally. I'd say Ortiz is probably 210lbs in shape.

    All of them just come in with **** conditioning and fat folds.

    Where was the 250lbs champ in the 30s? There were plenty of contenders at that point, with that size. Were all bumbling oafs? I assume you think that Wilder is the pinnacle of boxing technique then?


    Let me just say that I think that Lennox Lewis hits harder than Wilder, so by default I think he hits harder than Fitzsimmons.

    I'm personally a big fan of the diminishing returns theory, in that, size begins to mean less and less after a certain point. I'd say the break line is 180, so Fitz is an anamoly to me as well.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Fitz rarely weighed in for fights and it is believed often gave his weight as below what it actually was.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I've given you the actual weights for their fights ,which blows your argument completely out of the water.
    I'm not prepared to pursue this dead end further.
     
  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    We can speculate all day on it, but in the end we have the actual numbers. Fitz seemed to frequently weigh in the 160s, with the 150s and 170s also being somewhat common

    Ironically a similar weight as Choynski.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Yes, I can't compete with your mighty intellect.But then who could?