Common misconception about Floyd not fighting in rhythm........

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nearly all fighters fight in rythm or constantly make the same mistakes or constantly attack in the same way. Both of those things get figured out by a good boxer, Floyd or anyone and they take advantage of them and times or figures out what punches or counters they are open to.

    Pacquaio himself supposedly started watching more fight types after Marquez 2 and figuring out what mistakes his opponents made

    Anyway no Pacquaio isn't outboxing Floyd I don't think his fans believe that. He may be able to punch with Mayweather though and throw tons of punches and simply out fight and/or outwork Mayweather and obviously he has the power to hurt anyone at WW. I thought this would be a really easy fight for Mayweather but his reluctancy makes me think this is closer now
     
  2. horst

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    :admin I never, ever thought this day would come. Am I tripping or is PowerPuncher actually stepping away from being the incessant Mayweather cheerleader he has always been, and actually being objective now?

    Wonders will never cease. My faith in ESB has been somewhat restored.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    Beating a guy like Floyd, you need to take him out of his comfort zone and thats different for each fighter. Floyd can fight in a lot of different styles, but he definitely prefers to fight certain ways against certain fighters. I dont think Floyd will be fighting too many guys who are physically bigger than him anymore. Guys like DLH and Castillo had some success because they could overpower him a bit.

    His comfort zone against Pac is going to make him lead, maintain his distance and break Pacs rhythem coming forward with pot shots, jabs, and movement. So now with Mayweather you have to think how hes going to want to fight these guys and come up with a gameplan to make him fight the fight you want him to fight and take him out of his comfort zone.
    Once he establishes his fight, he fights very well and relaxed and its hard to break him out of it. Lately it seems he tries to make his statement early offensively and then settles into a safer fight. If he fights Pac I dont see him doing that all, I see a safety first fight through the course, so somehow Pac is going to have try and make him come forward.
     
  4. gooners!!

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    elTerrible, I dont think Floyd got lazy, its just that he is a defensive fighter, his bread and butter is not being offensive, taking the lead, only against a southpaw, you generally have to do that, cause they invariably outbox you when the pace drops, when its a Boxing match, as they are more used to facing your style than vice versa, which is most probably why he got more change out of Judah when he upped the pace, put his punches together in 3/4's, although I dont think this will be a problem against Manny, cause Manny is an aggressive southpaw, he will give up that advantage and make Mayweather look like the southpaw by being so aggressive. Mayweather is the tin, Manny will be the tin opener, which will suit Mayweather, especially if he uses his legs.





    PowerPuncher, thats true, but some more consistently fight in the same rhythm, where as Mayweather tends not to, only we all have habits so I take your point.





    Popkins, do you think you're by contrast to me, an objective Pacquiao fan, or that you come across as one?
     
  5. lefthook31

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    Inactivity is also going to be big factor. Floyd is getting older, his timing and fight stamina will deplete regardless of the shape he gets himself into in the gym. Inactivity is the death of any figther great or otherwise.
     
  6. gooners!!

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    Agree, good post.

    The only thing I think Roach could be seeing, is that Mayweather's legs have deteriorated considerably, or that he can negate Pacquiao's lack of a jab to set up his offense, by feinting his way in, cause getting from A to B is going to be a major problem with an inferior reach, lack of a jab to set up imo.
     
  7. lefthook31

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    Id say a lot of stepping in to the side and angle punching in combination. Hes going to have to walk through a **** storm, because Floyd is just going to be taking steps back and back and using his long jab to stay out of range. Pac's got to use speed and move his head (alot), to get close so he doesnt get beat up.
     
  8. gooners!!

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    That's what I was just going to say to respond to the first part of what you said, stepping across, punching in combination seems the right thing to do, but you need a good defense as you roll foward imo, that is if you plan to be in contention to have a shot at winning a decision, of coarse I know he could also KO Mayweather, although I guess someone will say, unlikely, but im of the opinion a poor defense can lose you a fight.
     
  9. horst

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    I have no interest whatsoever in how I come across to anyone.
     
  10. elTerrible

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    Pac will have to be very careful if he wants to attempt to wear out mayweather. If pac tires first before mayweather he is in deep trouble. If mayweather tires he can always use movement and his defense to make it through the fight. I dont expect roach to bet they can tire mayweather, his stamina is great but on top of that he fights so relaxed, Pac would be throwing like crazy as he usually does while mayweather is blocking, countering and throwing less and then on top of that hope that somehow mayweather gets tired first, I dont see that happening.
     
  11. gooners!!

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    But you dont mind throwing accusations about other people being biased around, whilst potentially doing the same yourself?
     
  12. horst

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    I know I'm not biased. I don't know others aren't, so I call it as I see it. When someone is continually making the same thread over and over again, slightly revising it each time but always with the same agenda... It's pretty obvious. Why else would said person be so consumed with getting this point across every few days???
     
  13. pound

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  14. gooners!!

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    I dont think Mayweather can use his defense to grab a breather, I think he will get drilled if he sits on the ropes and gives Manny a stationary target, only way I envisage Mayweather standing still, is in the center if he settles into dictating behind the jab, counter punching Manny as he comes in, but make no mistake about it, Mayweather wont be able to shut up shop imo, if he is not moving, he will have to be punching.
     
  15. lefthook31

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    Pac has no plan B, Mayweather has B,C,D thats what makes this fight tough for Pac, he will have to fight an aggressive fight, its just how successful can he be at getting close. Hes short and fighting a guy thats going to look to stay outside and counter him. This is something hes never really had to overcome yet while not having the physical advantages he had at the lower weights.