Compare and Contrast: De La Hoya and Cotto

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  1. Boxed Ears

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    :huh Uh, yes?

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  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I kind of wonder where this idea of De La Hoya as eternally the superior boxer comes from. Maybe ultimately De La Hoya became a well rounded technician, with a marginally broader range of skills. But in the early days, and for much of his career, DLH was much more basic than Cotto is now. DLH was essentially a one-handed fighter who used his strength (and frequently, size) to out-gun and overwhelm his (some would say; often carefully handpicked) early opponents.

    Cotto's range of punches is wider, he is more considered, his work is more varied. DLH developed into the kind of fighter Cotto is now, only after he hooked up with Sr. The stark difference being, that DLH brought some significant natural attributes with him in that evolution; he brought his heart and his chin and his strength, and added a whole layer of craft to his game. Cotto doesn't have DLH's fighting heart and rock solid chin, but he's as good boxer, no doubt in my mind. The chin and the heart are what separates the two, not the skills.

    The reason DLH was able to systematically out-box a prime Trinidad, was because Trinidad was about as basic and predictable as anything you'll see at the elite level. DLH simply neutralized Trinidad's strength through movement and his iron chin compensated for Trinidad devastating power. It was always a good style match-up for a well prepared DLH, and it did show that he could do something different. And incidentally, this "something different" was very much needed at the time, having been made to look somewhat clueless and basic by the shadowy amalgamation of Pernell Whitkaer.

    Cotto would not have fared as well against Trinidad. Because his defence, is, frankly, ****. But Cotto's power and accuracy would lead to some sharp exchanges, and there's know doubt he'd hurt Tito to the body...on the way to getting stopped. Of course, it depends how Cotto approached the fight. We saw against Manny, and to a lesser degree against Margo, that when Cotto gets in trouble he can go outside and box, and be pretty effective working from range (a carbon copy of DLH's approach to Trinidad). I don't see Cotto getting blasted out early, or even in the mid-rounds, I suspect he'd go the distance or get stopped on his feet down the stretch.
     
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  3. kadyo

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    he did? Did he put it on top of his pants like superman did?
     
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  4. J.R.

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    :lol:
     
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  5. kadyo

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    maybe he meant a prime oscar who not weight drained.
     
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  6. vanargian_guard

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl Wow, stupid post on my part. It's late I guess.

    But no one really holds the Pac fight against Oscar's legacy. He was old, he did it for the money, he was weight drained, ect.

    Losing to Pac was really a huge ding on Cotto's record though. He was not old. He was not weight drained (I'm a Cotto fan, but I don't think the 2 lbs were significant).

    When people discuss Oscar's legacy, they will discuss his fight with Trinidad, his destruction of Vargas, his two with Mosley. Not Pac. When people discuss Cotto, Pac and Margo come up first.

    Stupid post, but I think there is a difference there.
     
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  7. Boxed Ears

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    No, it was at the weigh-in. He stripped down to a pair of...actual Superman underwear. With an S insignia and everything. :lol: I thought it was pretty funny. I didn't know grown men had Superman underwear.
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

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    Big difference indeed, I agree for sure.
     
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  9. kadyo

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    LOL I never saw that one.

    What about the dotted underwear of JMM? have you seen it? Damn that one made me more suspicious. j/k
     
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  10. Boxed Ears

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    I disagree with a lot of this. But when it feels like work, I tend not to bother a lot of the times going into it. :conf
     
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    Didn't see it. :lol: I have seen a photoshopped picture of JMM made to look like he was showing off his package in painfully tight looking jeans. It was on another forum and they entitled the post something like "Proof! I told you JMM was gay!"
     
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  12. J.R.

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    Oh what a ****ing **** post! So basically you're downplaying Oscar's success and talents in order to make your lame comparison work?!

    And handpicked opponents? No doubt that every great fighter has a few including Cotto, but among those so-called "handpicked opponets" Oscar also fought a prime Ike Quartey, a prime Felix Trinidad, a prime Shane Mosley, Bernard Hopkins, Fernando Vargas, Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc... Does Cotto's resume stack up to that? I don't think it even comes close. Especially when you also add in the fact that Oscar fought in more weight divisions and won twice as many titles.
     
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  13. El Cepillo

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    I'm interested to know, would anyone describe DLH as the Champ at LW or WW?
     
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  14. Boxed Ears

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    Mhmm. And what I don't get is he even calls Cotto's defense ****. We know Oscar's wasn't, yet it's what, crazy to call Oscar the superior technical fighter?
     
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