As well as Junior Welterweight. http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jrwelt.htm And at Junior Middle, Ring did have him as the champ. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Ring_world_champions[/ame] That's three weight classes he was considered a lineal champion.
I decided to pass on that out of pure laziness as well but the contrast of skills are quite apparent between the two. Oscar was a better overall technician who could do a little bit of everything very well in the ring. A better defender, used better ring generalship, had lighter, more technical footwork (Oscar could actually punch on the move, Cotto can't) Oscar's jab was a stiffer, more threatening weapon, and his punches were also straighter and shorter... and all that just covers skills. Never mind that as far as physical talents go; Oscar was faster, took a better punch, and hit a lot harder.
In terms of their respective careers and records, I think its fair to say that both men have consistently been Paper Champions, fighting for vacant titles against unheralded opposition, picking up belts here and there. Of course, DLH was the Ring Champ at 154 (and a great performer, it should be said). But mostly, both men where just holders of one organizations belt or another. DLH, also apparently, being the holder of a slightly dubious lineage at 140 You could say DLH was unlucky against Trinidad, I think that would be fair - So, he was essentially robbed of his status as the WW Ring Champion also. In this respect, the distinction between the two fighters is quite stark. DLH's claims to divisional ascendancy were stronger than Cotto's, who has never really been all that close to being the Champion of anything, other than some corrupt sanctioning body or another. Unless you happened to believe that he was turning the tide against Manny in the mid-rounds of their battle. Then I suppose you could say he was "close" depending on how you viewed the 147 rankings at the time. In terms of record, Cotto has just the two defeats and probably a few of ahead of him. De La Hoya has a host of losses but most are easily explained away. Both faired similarly against Mosley, with DLH losing to the fresher version, and Cotto squeaking past a veteran. DLH's level of compeition was marginally better, when looking it solely from the perspective of actual challenges, rather than just faded notable names.
How can anyone fault DLH's opposition? Mosley, Vargas, Whitaker, Chavez, Mayweather, Pac, Hopkins, Quartey, Trinidad etc.
If you feel more comfortable and capable comparing and contrasting the differences (rather than the similarities) between the two fighters, please feel free to do that.
There are obviously many similarities between the two. That much is obvious. However, why are obsessed with comparing similarities? If you want to compare the differences, of which there are many, please do.
I already have, it's getting boring now. I've shot better fish in better barrels, mate. I show you where Oscar was regarded as the lineal champion in three of the six divisions he was a titlist in and you say: It's becoming clear that even pointing out where you're directly wrong is completely useless, let alone just disagreeing about opinion as opposed to fact. For instance, ODLH has had EIGHT MAJOR WORLD TITLES of the four major sanctioning bodies that were taken off of THE REIGNING AND DEFENDING CHAMPION of the title. So, saying anything even close to the above quote is sickeningly ignorant. Now, compare to Cotto having never been the lineal champion, and having one of his four world titles taken from the reigning champion. There is simply no ****ing comparison and you should know this if you're going to carry on this argument.
Interesting. Seems to me the Ring Champ is often more credible than traditional lineage, in many ways. Even though that's what they are essentially striving for. That linear title at 140 is a bit Don King dubious, IMO.
I think that your mentality is far too rigid and closed minded. You seem incapable of accepting that comparisons can be made between any fighter from any era, whether those fighters have a raft of similarities, and parallels, or even if they are totally different in every respect. Comparing and contrasting is not just about similarities, its about differences. You've come into this thread with some predetermined and arrogant notion that these fighters can't be compared because they are too different. To humour you, and to put your mind at ease, I've shown there are many parallels, as if this is something that is important to the point of this thread...when really it isn't. Also, you and I can characterise success and failure in different ways. Your opinion is not tantamount to scripture, and neither is mine. Cotto and DLH have track records as title holders, as paper champions, as guys who have fed on the proliferation of belts. They also have track records as champions, as elite fighters, as warriors in the sport. Neither of these perspectives can exist without the other.
I was rigid and close-minded even though I deliberately made a post trying to see from your perspective and point out any similarities? I'm arrogant because I directly pointed out you being hugely and factually incorrect? You've humored me? Other way around, I think. And the era they're from has nothing to do with anything regarding denying factually incorrect comparisons or disagreeing with opinion comparisons. Regardless, I'm done with this discussion. It seems like being proven to be factually in error and not admitting it is fairly close-minded and rigid. Seemingly, I'm also not the only one in this thread that finds this thread and many of your statements worthy of ridicule. This will be my last post on the thread. It's eaten up too much time and you're apparently not willing to acknowledge even when you're wrong in a verifiable manner and unwilling to take anything in good humor from the get-go or any disagreements without being a pot calling out accusations of blackness.
agree... cotto will come to fight and will get KO while oscar ran like a biatch avoiding the KO.. plus one is a tall lanky fighter the other one is a short stocky one that needs to be two weigh classes below then where he is right now :hat