Compare Robinson and Grebs resumes.

Didn't Greb carry a glass eye after his boxing career? Or is this just a myth?

 

My point is if you are fighting every 2-4weeks you will go into fights with bust hands, jaws, ribs, eyes. You will develop more injuries. But if everyone in your time is doing the same thing, you all going to pick up worse and worse injuries.

We dont know the injuries of Grebs contemparies, so to assume Greb had worse injuries is presumptious

Are you refering to thris thread, I didnt want to read the whole thesis without knowing http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6052051#post6052051

 

Sure but having only one eye is quite a problem if you're a boxer. And it's a fact that Greb was blind in one eye. The only others who may compare are Sam Langford, Joe Frazier and Gypsy Joe Harris and I'm fairly certain that they still had some type of eyesight unlike Greb.

I can't think of too many more debilitating injuries than fighting with one eye. Maybe having only one arm or leg... And Greb also picked up many arm, rib & jaw injuries during his career. He fought many times with broken hands.

 

Fair enough, i hadnt heard that, i need to goto a boxing gym with an eye patch to test how much it influences things

 

Yep make them scared to get their shots off, thus taking the edge off them, greb didnt really have a glass eye he was a master of mind games

And on the subject of glass eyes, no one is going to wear 1 into the ring, imagine if it smashed :scaredas:

 

Ricardo,you ask of proof of Harry Grebs remarkable record, compared to Ray Robinson,who I saw in his glorious prime...It is this undisputable fact....Harry Greb , at 5ft.8"",whippedthe greatest fighters of his very competitive time Great fighters as Tommy Loughran, Gene Tunney,Jack Dillon,Tommy Gibbons,Kid Norfolk,Maxie Rosenbloom,Battling Levinsky,Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, Gunboat Smith, etc.,some numerous times.... These great Boxers ,OUTWEIGHED GREB BY 15 TO 50 POUNDS, and when hit ,by these much heavier men,his chin and amazing speed and stamina, never before or since equaled,allowed Greb to win his fights almost on a weekly schedule ...Greb had at least 300 bouts, including 45 fights one year, traveling by train, from tow to town.almost surreal.....Robinson great as he was ,and at 5ft11 ", never tackled much larger men such as Ezzard Charles< Archie Moore, Lloyd Marshall, Jimmy Bivins, etc.He knew his physical limitations, and avoided the Light Heavies, and Heavyweights.... Harry Greb AVOIDED NO ONE.....And GREB fought the last prime years BLIND in one eye.......Ezzard Charles,was with Gene Tunney, the best Lt Heavy of alltime I think.However as a middleweight he fought middleweights ,when heavier he fought Lt. Heavies, and when boxing Heavyweights, he scaled about 188. Therefore, at 6 ft, tall ,he fought great fighters AT HIS WEIGHT...Harry Greb handicapped , by weight, accomplished greater things.......

 

That's the one. Would like you to give me the name of some fighters that operate the day that are obviously big weight cutters and what weight they'd have to fight in if they had to weigh in on the day of the fight and compete maybe once a month :good

 

He was not just a mauler though.

He was always on the move, throwing shots from incomprehensible angles.

A day after their fight, Mickey Walker said that Greb had his back to him. Was facing the other way. Walker dropped his guard, waiting for Greb to turn back around, rather than rushing him.

Then got hit with a left hook.

'I don't know how he did it, but he hit me facing in the other direction'

He was said to awesome defensively, and Dempsey said he was 'faster than Benny Leonard'

Sounds an awesome fighter to watch, and even more painful there ain't no film:twisted:

 

A real clash but if there has to be one then Greb should get the nod on having taken care of a wider range of heavier fighters.

 

Jack Dempsey said that "Harry Greb was the fastest fighter he ever saw", " heck, he,s faster than Benny Leonard".... After the great Jack Johnson lost his title to Jess Willard,Johnson after boxing the 160lb. Greb,stated that "Harry Greb is the fastesf fighter I ever boxer with"....In the only film of Harry Greb, showing Greb training for his bout with Mickey Walker in 1925, there is a segment showing Greb playing handball....It shows Greb ,while waiting for the ball to arrive , he is bouncing on his toes, to and froe, so fast,constantly in motion, that it was almost impossible to calibrate to time your punches at him as Gene Tunney, declared, after Greb whipped him in 1922....Tremendous foot speed, hard to tag solidly,with the known ability to mount a perpetual attack for 15 rounds, week after week...Oh yes, rough and tough to boot......

 

Welcome to the board, Burt.
It is always a pleasure to read teh opinions of someone who has seen the older greats in action. Judging from what you have seen, is it a stretch to say that Ken Overlin resembled Greb somewhat stylistically? I have only see a very short clip of Overlin (against Fred Heeneberry) but it looks like he has a fast, bouncing, and mugging style. Depending what range he wanted to fight at.

 

A bit I found about the Flowers fights:

When he finally lost the title to Tiger Flowers the split decision was a controversial one. The rematch was even more controversial. When Joe Humphreys announced Flowers as the winner by split decision with the judges, but not the referee, voting for him, the fans stormed the ring, littering it with bottles, hats, paper and everything they could find to throw in protest. Jim Crowley, the referee, walked over to Greb saying &#8220;Tough, Harry, a tough one to lose. It was your fight.&#8221; Gene Tunney who watched the affair said, &#8220;Harry won by a substantial margin. It was an unjust decision.&#8221; William Muldoon also said Greb had won, adding, &#8220;but the decision will stand. If we (The New York Athletic Commission) reversed it, the Negro people might think they were being discriminated against.&#8221;