Compare the progression of AJ and Wilder's boxing abilities.

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  1. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Say from the last 3-4 years or so.

    Joshua the KO artist vs Wilder the KO artist.

    Wilder: Has developed a good straight right counter. Effective punch against southpaws. Not as powerful as his trademark haymaker but powerful enough to stun his opponent to get the momentum for his windmill to be effective (against skilled opposition).

    Joshua: Stamina problems looked better, smarter pacing etc. Great left hook developed etc. There is many more little things I would **** you to mention.

    Other than the straight counter, Wilder has stagnated skillwise, and the gap should just become wider as time goes on.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    AJ`s right glove was often higher against his chin v Takam compared to the Parker fight and he got caught with a few hooks but those same hooks would of hit Wilder and Wilder doesn`t throw many hooks.
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

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    I think AJ's jab in the Parker fight was more effective than ever before.
     
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  4. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wilder has only progressed with minimal progress, that's basically being patient looking for openings. In some fights he's regressed.

    Joshua has won many fights in different ways..his last one out jabbed the supposed better jabber and won basically on that alone.

    He's becoming the perfect all around fighter.

    He has out brawled some , out jabbed everyone and out positioned even the great Klitchko who had by far better understanding of ring generalship.

    There's no comparison! Nothing but clear Sky's for a minute after he downs Wilder...clear Sky's as he improves in what is already a nightmare like caliber fighter. :sun_smiley:
     
  5. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    I am not a AJ fan or a Wilder fan.

    However, i feel they are possibly the two best hwavyweights.

    That said, AJ has done more in 20 fights than Wilder has in 40 fights.

    Lets be fair, all the complaining from Wilders side to this point in time is shameful and any fans that bought into it should be tarred and feathered against their free will.

    For the good of boxing.
     
  6. Infern0121

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    Wilder hasn't really progressed for me, we have seen in his fights with Szpilka, Washington and Ortiz that he is very beatable.

    His right hand is a freakish shot and he benefits from a very poor division.

    He is basically an inferior heavyweight version of Julian Jackson

    Luckily for him theres no heavyweight gerald McLellan right now
     
  7. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    There are some things that can’t be taught, No matter how many drills you do, how good your technique is, some people have God given gifts that allow them to be successful. You can criticize Wilder’s technique, but when you have that kind of power, that much speed, and that kind of size...it’s a problem for opponents. As the athleticism goes, his career will follow because he doesn’t have the technical skill to fall back on. Until that decline begins, he’s going to continue to win.
     
  8. latineg

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    If i was Wilder i would shave my ass and teach my dog to walk backwards.
     
  9. SmackDaBum

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    So you don't think that Joshua's steady improvement is to his advantage against Wilder?

    As I see it Joshua just keeps separating himself from the rest of the pack by improving the total package that he already delivered right out of the gates for the heavyweight division.
     
  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    But is he progressing though? I mean he’s the guy in the division, and I think he’s a damn good fighter, but that sh!t Saturday was not “progress”. I understand the spin “he won with his jab” and whatever, but I watched the fight. That wasn’t by design, it wasn’t his plan, he was confused and couldn’t pull the trigger. He looked robotic, slow, and Parker’s movement seemed to be something he couldn’t figure out. He’s a young fighter, I’m not trying to crap on him because as I said he is the rightful king of the division as of now. I just don’t see this progression you are referring to. I’m not Bert Sugar, so Maybe Im missing something but I think he could have blasted Parker out of there if he had stepped on the gas and applied himself.

    I believe he’s a damn good inside fighter for such a big guy, to me it’s the thing that could really separate him from all the others and allow him to genuinely be special. Instead of developing that aspect of his game he settled for holding and clinching. I see this as a regression. He’s bulky and not as loose and long as conventional wisdom would have you believe. He could beat Wilders ass on the inside, he could beat a lot of guys ass on the inside, Id like to see him continue to refine that skill set to go with his most obvious tools of length, power, etc.
     
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  11. SmackDaBum

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    Joshua was inexperienced against Whyte and Klitschko by coming in too heavy and force the action getting gassed as the result. He has matured and learnt the art of pacing himself thru the fight. Also he didn't want to fall for Parker's traps and getting countered by left hooks. Thus controlled the fight with his left hand from start to finish. Now we also knows that Joshua doesn't have any problems going the full distance. The jab and left hook looked much better in this fight, and it will be key parts for beating Wilder later on. Wilder doesn't even bring a left hook to the table which will allow Joshua to control the fight with his jab all night taking away the right hand from Wilder much like Parker did to Joshua. Also add the fact that Joshua will be able to throw the right hand at will so the end result wont feel so good in Alabama.

    I do agree with you however that Joshua's progression isn't as fast paced as the Joshua hype train tuning in for devastating KO's just to getting disappointed by an UD for an unification against another unbeaten champion.
     
  12. Manfred

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    Wilder dropped Ortiz with a straight right, a left hook and finally with an uppercut. That's three different punches.
     
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  13. Reppin501

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    I understand you’re a fan, I respect that and there is nothing wrong with it. I’m telling you this (please bookmark this post and hold me to it). If Parker’s athleticism gave AJ this much of a problem, he is going to have a real problem with Wilder. Wilder’s speed and reach is going to make AJ hesitant, when he starts second guessing himself, he will get caught. There is no doubt AJ is very much capable of beating Wilder, but I think Wilders speed and unpredictability will be the difference. I think AJ could have the longer and more productive career, but if the fight next I’d favor Wilder.

    Technique can take you so far, but to discount Wilder’s 1-2, and his foot/hand speed (although techically flawed) would be a mistake. If he hurts AJ, he will close the show...there won’t be any coming back. If I were AJ or his trainer I’d come out and jump on Wilder from the opening bell, I’d attack and try to hurt him immediately, and set the tone and pace. His technical skills will do him disservice in this fight. If he waits and lets Wilder get off first and follows him around throwing jabs, he will get stopped. Imho
     
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  14. SmackDaBum

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    There is already tonnes of Wilder highlight reels out there showboating his trademark wild swinging windmill on full effect. Everybody has seen it, nothing new.

    I've already mentioned his developed straight right hand. It gave him the momentum to start up the windmill on a already jelly legged Luis Ortiz. That's the difference. He wouldn't have landed those shots if it wasn't for the straight to begin with.
     
  15. SmackDaBum

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    I understand your take on Wilder and sees your theory. But to me it seems that you are overrating and underrating the speeds of Wilder and Joshua. Wilder's timing isn't that good to begin with. Just watch this fight as a reference to what I say:

    Here you have a very poor mans version of Joshua controlling the fight against Wilder:

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    This is the Wilder I see, but against an overall much superior boxer than Washington. This in my opinion should be the tell for everybody to see the outcome.