Compare the progression of AJ and Wilder's boxing abilities.

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  1. Manfred

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    Makes no difference, you don't lead with a left hook or an uppercut unless it's a counter. Wilder used those punches when they accommodated his attack. He knew what punches he needed to use.
     
  2. SmackDaBum

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    It was nothing he got Ortiz with prior to the straight thru the guard. That's the difference. On a punching bag you can try whatever combination you want without risk involved. A gassed and jelly legged Ortiz was that heavy bag at that moment in the fight.

    Nothing he would dare to try against a fit and sharp Joshua.
     
  3. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Wilder hasnt improved as much as AJ as he relies on a different skill set to win a fight plus he hasn't had to improve because his right hand hasn't failed him yet.

    He was a hairs wisker from being stopped in the last fight so I'd imagine he will take a lot out of that fight.

    In saying this he seems to have become more of a reactive fighter which means his opposition can fight at their pace which can mean he is letting poorer gas tanks stay on the fight longer.

    AJ has been in harder fights lately so he has had to change his style a bit to compete.

    He came in light and paced himself far better looking to win a decision as opposed to his trade mark combo smashing the opponent to bits. This nearly cost him against Wlad and maybe Whyte for 2 seconds .

    Error is usually the way boxers learn.
     
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  4. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This isn't a concern at all because these fighters will gas anyways from the mental pressure alone from avoiding the big shot from Wilder. Wilder himself stays fresher later carrying his power into the late rounds if need be. It's one way to skin a cat.
     
  5. Mr Icaman

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    I do wonder if this is a viable strategy for AJ, given his size and reach is nullified because of both of them being a similar size.

    This means AJ can do work from the outside without taking damage especially if Wilder is going to focus on getting that right away.

    The right is his get out of jail card but fighting guys who are his sizes takes away some of its ability.

    If AJ can take his power (Stiverne did 1st time) them what will he fall back on!?
     
  6. SmackDaBum

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    Only weak minded fighters fall under that pressure. As soon as AJ takes that right hand away. Wilder is nothing.
     
  7. Manfred

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    Wilder tried a variety of punches on Ortiz along with the straight right. Whether he got through or not is irrelevant because the fact remains that he had those punches in his arsenal and that is the crux of the point I am making. It was stated that all he had was a right hand and I beg to differ. As a matter of fact, the punch that started the downfall of Gerald Washington was a left hook preceded by a right hand.
     
  8. Blackclouds

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    AJ lacks confidence or he'd have stepped it up and got Parker the **** out of there. If AJ underestimates Wilder's skill like you then he will get destroyed.
     
  9. SmackDaBum

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    Against Washington it was a peeling jab to open up the guard for the right to land.

    Also he couldn't land those shots on Ortiz prior to the first knockdown/stunning because he don't have the timing or skills to make it work against a living opponent. Even aginst short and slow opposition he can't land those shots. A heavybag is different cus you don't need the perfect timing for it.
     
  10. SmackDaBum

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    AJ knew about the risk/reward for that action. Parker seemed to be the one that waited for it though.
     
  11. Manfred

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    He hit him with a left hook then a jab and the right hand followed. None of the punches were in quick succession but it all started with that left hook. As a matter of fact, the most damaging punches after the knock down were left hooks. My contention is that Wilder has more in his arsenal than just a right hand. He is still a wild child but I think that he has learned how to be more precise with his wide punches. They are unexpected and faster than one would think. By the way, I don't think that Ortiz was slow or any more winded than Wilder in that fight. He was bouncing and moving until the end.
     
  12. SmackDaBum

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    That "left hook" you are talking about was partly blocked by Washington and it turned into more of a push. Not a good shot at all. Also notice how Washington landed his own from that opening Wilder gave him. Just think about what Joshua would have done. Wilder would be to afraid to try this move in the same situation because of the powerful counter in Joshua.

    His windmill is quite effecive - after he has his opponent hurt by the right hand.

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    He didn't even knock Washington down with these "hooks" but the ref jumped in and stopped the action so Washington walked away still in good shape. He looked unaffected. Too early stoppage.
     
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  13. Manfred

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    I watched the fight twice before I replied the first time. Looks can be deceiving, he didn't complain about the stoppage. However, this isn't about windmills or being wild. It's about Wilder's punch arsenal and he has more than just a right hand in it.
     
  14. vnyc

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    41yo Klitchko put AJ on his butt lol
     
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  15. SmackDaBum

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    I edited my post. That was a push, not a punch. It was partly blocked by Washington. He also opened up the guard when he decided to throw it. I say this: Wilder doesn't have a left hook in his arsenal. Maybe a decent hook on a heavybag when he can time it as he wants.