Comparing boxing best swarming heavyweights from Dempsey to Tyson

Good point, but they show his entire body and he's only wearing boxers, i.e. bare feet. If you want me to provide a pic of that as well let me know.


But aside from his height, wouldn't you say that the 30 pounds of natural weight he has on Dempsey is a physical advantage, fighting qualities aside?

 

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Great thread.

Not sure the 30 pounds is natural weight though. Dempsey with modern training would be heavier. Just look at how much weight Holyfield put on.

 

I think in Comp, Marciano should rank 2nd, behind Fraizer.
Than Tyson 3rd, and Dempsey last.

 

Dempsey at 187 is thin. Real thin. He has the frame and the overall size/build to put on 30lbs in a way that would not hurt his movement and stamina overtly to the point that he would suffer.

Tysons weight would be mostly natural and that is a great thing about Tyson. He was 15 and 200lbs. I give the over all edge in size to Tyson. But Dempsey would be a natural to grow/increase his size. Frazier and Marciano, not as much.

Who I think would really run away with increasing his build and not suffering because of it was Gene Tunney. I think that Tunney would be around 215-220 with modern training/nutrition and just as fast and just as scientific.

ATG swarmers almost always boil down to Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson, which means we are due for another one.

I wonder if you could boil down great boxers, boxer-punchers, and power hitters to four a piece.

 

dempseys competition should rank the lowest IMO. marcianos defintley above dempsey. I also think you underate marcianos skill. He was alot more cagey than one must think, he may have looked foolish but then you got in the ring with him and you came out with a newfound respect of his defensive skills. louis, walcott, moore, lastarza all remarked on marciano being underated in the defensive department.


Power: 1. Tyson
2. Marciano
3. Frazier
4. Dempsey




I dont think tyson was a swarmer, he was more of a slugger

 

In terms of competition,
1. Frazier
2. Tyson
3. Marciano
4. Dempsey

In terms of dominance,
1. Marciano
2. Tyson
3. Dempsey
4. Frazier

Longevity,
1. Tyson (people forget he was fighting and beating ranked heavyweights for almost twenty years)
2. and 3. (tie) Dempsey and Marciano
4. Frazier


Head to head,
1. Tyson
2. Marciano
3. Frazier
4. Dempsey

Looking at courage and intangibles,
1. Marciano
2. Dempsey
3. Frazier
4. Tyson

 

I dont think that Frazier hit as hard as Dempsey.

In terms of all round punching efectivness I would rate Dempsey the best of the three including Tyson.

 

Marciano knocked out all time great lightheavyweights Moore and Charles.

Frazier destroyed all time great lightheavy Foster in two rounds.

Tyson destroyed all time great lightheavy Spinks in 91 seconds.

Dempsey went the 15 round distance with a lesser than the former mentioned lightheavies Gibbons and got smacked the **** out of him twice by all time great lightheavy Tunney.


I think SuzieQ has the order spot on.

 

What i did was objectively compare the "4 big swarmers" their records against the best light heavyweights they fought. You could add Carpentier in there for good measure, but i believe Gibbons and Tunney were better. It is tough luck for Dempsey that he faced Tunney near the end of his career, but at the same time, Marciano faced Moore at the end of his career. Dempsey is not proven to be able to beat a Tunney, whereas the former mentioned are.

 

but Moore was nowhere near as quick footed as Tunney, and besides it's not like Marciano was that past his best. If u ask me, Rocky would have likely reigned for a few more years