Comparing boxing best swarming heavyweights from Dempsey to Tyson

Let us analyze further.

Dempsey defended his title sucesfully the same number of times as Marciano and like Marciano was taken the distance once. The man who took him the distance was Tommy Gibbons who was never knocked out (he quit against Tunney). Tunney also was never knocked out.

I find it rather extroardinary that you should hold this as a mark against him relative to fighters who were taken the distance by multiple oponents who were knocked out by other people.

 

Well, Michael Spinks was never knocked out except for the Tyson fight either.

Charles was only stopped twice before the Marciano fight, once by Walcott, a hard puncher (once in 4 fights) and once by Marshall when he was green and basically fighting dangerous guys monthly. After the Marciano fight he went downhill. I can grant you that if Gibbons fights the competition and at the rate Charles did that he'd pick up a KO loss as well. Btw, quitting is still not making the finish. The competition Tunney faced doesn't compare to Charles' either (or Moore's or Spinks' for that matter).

Bob Foster i will give you. He was not very durable (against heavyweights).

 

I don't know about Charles being green against Bivins and Marshall in 1943, but he was in the army and not training at all. He took these fights to get money for his family. This is an excuse, of course, but it is also true that neither Bivins and Marshall proved able to stop Charles in rematches after the war.

 

I think that's a little generous. I would have given the guy a 2... maybe. He ate absolutely everything that came his way.

 

Marciano was a pretty good defense fighter for a swarmer, Its a myth that the guy ate eveything. The Rocky movies did a lot of harm in regards to Marciano imo.

LarSarza, Charles the 2nd time, and even Moore coulnt land a clean shot on the Rock. They miss a lot of punchings in there fights with the Rock.

 

On the other hand, Moore had knockout power whereas Tunney lacked in that apartment. For instance, Moore knocked out heavyweight journeyman Bert Whitehurst who twice went the distance with Liston (although he was down when the final bell rang in one of their fights).

Rocky had the same style as Dempsey and was just as old. Dempsey started younger, but during his championship reign he was taking more vacations than Boris Jeltsin who was out fishing in his private set up fishing lake during national crisis.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZFEhZi7WAg

Watch this and tell me if you see an inkling of defense...

And don't even get me started on missed punches.

 

Marciano was still a bit green at that time. I talking about his bouts with Walcott, Charles and LarSarza and Moore. He had impove GREATLY since his bout from Lee Savold.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TBgf4H2ybho

Look at the big impovement.

 

I asume you would like to qualify this statment.

 

Alright, there is a ton of differences between them, but compared to 40 random other boxers, Dempsey and Marciano will still generally fall in the same style category - unless you only look at Marciano pre-52.

In this case i was referring to the fact that both had a short-career-guaranteeing style.

 

Dempsey less so perhaps.

If he had been a more active champion he would probably have enjoyed better longevity.

 

i think dempsey was all around superior puncher than perhaps marciano and frazier, but i think in terms of pure power i give the edge to the rock.

i think tyson rates over all of them at his peak in punching abilities and pure power. he actually rates up their with joe louis