Comparing Calzaghe and Hopkins

no poorer than dancing around trying to argue semantics because you can't accept that ring rankings are biased towards americans and american based fighters.

your argument is..."he may fight in america & be based in america...but he's not really american is he?" semantics. kind of misses the spirit of what is being said.

but yeah...ok...let's semantically pick apart your post too:

so...mayweather is no.2...despite having had 2 fights in 4 years. yes...ring's position on that does seem to indicate a certain american bias now you mention it. thanks for bringing that up. :thumbsup

 

Hopkins beat Pascal too

 

nut:nut

You're still not quite getting the hang of this geography thing, are you?!

Once again, here is the post I was responding to - actually read it this time. I have highlighted the relevant parts so you know where to look(!):

Do you get it now then??! atsch

Manny Pacquiao is not American yet he is The Ring's p4p#1, so this disproves the theory of this post, no?


You see, I was right all along, despite your feeble attempts at twisting the subject at hand. :smoke


Oh, and I'm still waiting for an answer to the question you ducked earlier:

Tell me the names that have been denied the top spot because they were not American or American based within the last 30 years.

I await your list of answers, if you are going to cite a conspiracy you must surely have some evidence to back that up :smoke

 

Beatin Tito when he did, how he did trumps anything joe ever did.

 

Why is calzaghe brought up in so many threads nowadays, last year this wanst the case if I recall. I guess when he was active there were as many threads on him as there are on pac/may nowadays.

 

What was a better win at LHW:-

Hopkins UD12 Tarver

or

Calzaghe SD12 Hopkins.

You have one fight where the underdog (Hopkins) moved up 2 weight classes, coming out of retirement, coming off two controversial losses and whooping Tarver bell to bell

Then you have Calzaghe (favorite) moved up 1 weight class coming off the greatest win of his life fighting the underdog, getting knocked down, schooled with straight lead rights, and losing more than 6 rounds against Hopkins.

1) Hopkins UD12 Tarver was a better performance than Calzaghe SD12 Hopkins.

2) There was no need for a Tarver Hopkins rematch because the winner and loser were clear cut, however there was a need for Hopkins Calzaghe rematch because the winner and loser were controversial, and disputed.

3) Hopkins asked, and called for a rematch, Calzaghe didnt want it and retired after beating a shot Jones Jr.

Mikkel Kessler at age 19 was fighting at 154 but no one complains that Calzaghe beat a Junior Middleweight.

Felix Trinidad at age 19 was fighting at Welterweight but Hopkins beat a WW at MW.

 

To which you replied

You didnt touch on the points that Hopkins schooled Tarver, while Calzaghe didnt school no one vs Hopkins, he rather got schooled instead.

So all the below points are still intact:-

Hopkins did a better performance vs Tarver, compared to the performance Calzaghe did vs Hopkins.

 

I agree Calzaghe beat the better fighter (on record), but Hopkin's performance was alot better.

Hopkins won more or less every round vs Tarver, schooled him so hard that no one thought about a rematch.

Calzaghe won some of the rounds vs Hopkins, got knocked down, schooled, and his win was disputed. There were calls for a rematch from Hopkins, Calzaghe didnt want it.

Take everything into consideration.

Hopkins UD12 Tarver is a more impressive win than Calzaghe SD12 Hopkins.

And yea Calzaghe was the first man to win the ABA in 3 weight classes, he was a solid amatuer.

 

Calzaghe fought only bums and old men. :hi:

 

This is tedious now.


Hopkins took 6 years to unify, Calzaghe took 9.

Hopkins held all 4 belts at once, Calzaghe didn't.

Hopkins defended the undisputed championship numerous times, Calzaghe never did.


You see, we can go round in circles doing this for all eternity...


...but the one thing which we can never change is that B-Hop is going to be ranked significantly higher than Joe Calzaghe in the boxing history books, and you know it.

:good

 

Calzaghe beat down a very limited opponent with blizzards of slaps using his superior speed and output, whereas Hopkins showed superb technical abilities to completely shut down, dominate and stop p4p#2 Felix Trinidad.

Hopkins-Tito >>> Calzaghe-Lacy

If you disagree, you really can't understand much about the technical side of the sport.