Comparing Calzaghe and Hopkins

The guy implies The Ring is actively trying to keep "non-Americans" down. This is obviously untrue, as their p4p#1 is non-American. Simples.

The Ring is no more biased than any other publication in any other country IMO, therefore pointing out its bias is pretty pointless/meaningless.

 

Hopkins did his title defenses by HIMSELF in his division. While Joe was defending the WBO belt, belt with the WORST rankings, Sven Ottke was doing the same thing. That makes their feat look much less impressive. I mean, two guys setting a record for title defenses...at the same TIME...IN the same division? :-(

So his best win was over an former long reigning MW. Got that. :good

 

Or how anyone can say that Hopkins was still in his prime against Calzaghe, or even that Calzaghe was further removed from his prime than Hopkins was when they fought.

It boggles the mind.

 

It's all just lies and bull**** from people with hometown mentalities, every fact is twisted or even fabricated to promote a guy from the same place as them. It's the mentality of a bygone era which is still, sadly, present in many people these days.

 

& you state that pac being p4p no.1 proves they are not biased toward americans. this is obviously not true as even you admit. simples.

unless people are using a source we both agree is biased to "prove" who faced better opponents.

& yeah...if someone starts using rankings from british magazines to "prove" who's better then go ahead & call bull****.

 

Nope, I state that Pac being p4p#1 proves that they do not strive to keep "non-Americans" down, as that poster said. It's still simples.

True.

 

yes...twisting & fabricating "facts". a strange criticism coming from a guy who claims that the judges scorecards don't matter cos "I go by my own cards" & as such states that hopkins lost only once, despite what the actual "facts" were :

 

Pretty weak mate.

Do you adhere to the "fact" that Pernell Whitaker lost to Ramirez?

Do you adhere to the "fact" that Lennox Lewis drew the 1st Holyfield fight?

A boxing decision is not a "fact", it is a subjective decision by three fallible human beings, each as fallible as me or you.

My card is as valid as theirs, your card is as valid as mine, etc. That's why everyone should go by their own cards.


But that chump saying Calzaghe had 21 KOs from 22 wins is bull****, he has twisted and manipulated a fact he read on boxrec, because there is a very clear distinction between a legitimate "KO" and a referee stoppage "TKO". How many of the 21 KOs which Trampie cited were indeed KOs?

Ask realsoulja to provide his video to help you answer that question.

:smoke

 

Theres the first bit that removes some of the credit in red above

The Ring can decide who goes in their ratings and often put in fighters because they know them and are in alot of ways helping to hype them. Consider that the Ring mag had James Butler rated as a top 10 SMW when there were far more accomplished European SMWs who had better records and achieved more but werent recognised to the American public so were not put in the Ring ratings :-(. Ottke beat Butler so that counts as a Ring mag opponent that Ottke beat, but wasnt a great win by any stretch

Doesnt tell the story about one of those fighters having alot of those fights against fighters coming up in weight

:huh Note these 2 SDs were away wins for Calzaghe

- where against Reid 2 judges had him 5 points up and except for G McCrory commentating live who scored a draw and then later said he felt Calzaghe won, the other colour commentators also had Calzaghe 5 points up (Eubank and McGuigan were 2 of the studio guests with a 5 point lead for Calzaghe)

- where against Hopkins, Calzaghe was fighting at a new weight for the first time with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref and one of the judges scored the widest against Hopkins ever at 116-111 (5 points) the other 115-112 with those judges agreeing on 9 rounds and the third scoring by a point to Hopkins

When you see how 2 judges score clearly for the winning fighter. That comment didnt tell the whole story

Not to mention that he also won rematches in 2 of those SD wins also

No, thats 5 loses and 2 draws.
Also it points that Hopkins struggles to win big fights away, consider when Hopkins fought away to Mercado he was floored twice and only got a draw and when Hopkins fought away to Pascal he was floored twice and only got a draw.

Looking at resumes it is clear to me that Ottke and Calzaghe both have better resumes on paper than Hopkins.








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Lets compare their fights and see whos reign was most impressive naming key fights between Ottke and Hopkins

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the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice

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the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ

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the former WBC SMW champ and still world class

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the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)

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Hopkins beat

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3 weight world champ and then WBA MW champ (a smaller fighter)

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Calzaghe fought only bums and old men.

 

Not true.

 

well if you said this:

& his theory was about elevating americans to stop non americans from holding ALL the titles. he mentioned nothing about "keeping down" non americans...but instead that americans were elevated & promoted unfairly through a bias to american fighters. & if you look at what he says...he goes into the past tense at the end there...like he's not saying that it is happening now but instead happend in the past. as such what you said becomes completely irrelevent. you must not have read that quote very closely...funny...cos you kept reposting it & highlighting bits. :huh

anyway...guess we're done with that.

just pointing out the hypocracy. your twisting of what happened is better than someone elses twisting of what happened. now that is weak. :good

 

Calzaghe's ttile defense streak will alway look dubious because of Ottke doing the same thing (albeit against slightly better comp) at roughly the same time. You can't have two guys doing that at the same time and expect both to be legit.

 

Lets compare their fights and see whos reign was most impressive naming key fights between Ottke and Hopkins during their SMW and MW reigns respectively

Ottke beat
C Brewer the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice
G Johnson who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ
S Branco who went on to become the WBA LHW champ
A Mundine who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ
B Mitchell the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ
R Reid the former WBC SMW champ and still world class
A Krajnc the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)
M Larsen world class who went on to become European champ
R Markussen world class who went on to become European champ
T Tate beaten twice
D Starie
J Butler

Hopkins beat
S Mercado for the vacant IBF MW title
F Trinidad 3 weight world champ and then WBA MW champ (a smaller fighter)
De La Hoya 6 weight world champ who went on to win the WBC LMW title and then WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)
K Holmes then WBC MW champ and 2 time WBC champ
W Joppy 3 time WBA champ and then regular WBA MW champ
G Johnson who went on to become the Ring and IBF LHW champ
J D Jackson former 2 weight world champ
H Eastman European champ
A Echoles beaten twice
J Lipsey
S Vanderpool
R Allen beaten 3 times

So after a low down we can see Hopkins has 2 marquee names on his record (De La Hoya & Trinidad) who were smaller fighters. But after the smoke has cleared it seems Ottke had a more impressive reign and beat Johnson when he was more experienced and at a weight that suited Johnson better.

Calzaghe has a more impressive reign than Ottke who has a more impressive reign on paper than Hopkins MW reign, though due to Hopkins work at LHW he has got an overall more impressive reign than Ottke

 

Two guys defending their belts 20 times each in the same division severly makes each feat less impressive then if it was one guy doing it. And the WBO has historically the WORST rankings and mandatories of any ABC.