Comparing Hatton vs PBF to Jirov vs Toney

Its certainly a much closer comparison then the SRL-Duran people keep talking about.

But I hope for Floyd he doesnt spend as much time on the ropes as Toney did.

 

Floyd has to be seriously offensive minded if he wants to beat Hatton. If he plays the "Bernard Hopkins" game lurking around the ring and coming in with a right hand once in a while he is going to lose rounds just because he would get outworked. He really needs to hit Hatton hard and make Hatton respect him because if not it will be a tough one for Floyd.

 

In Mayweather's last two fights - he didn't turn on the offense until the second half of the fights. That's why Judah stole a couple of rounds and if you listen to Roger - during the Oscar fight - they were counting on him running out of gas.

I think it's going to be a different approach to this fight. I see him coming out firing early - to create the space he needs to box.

 

The main evidence provided on differences is already too obvious to let this comparison pass without reprimand. James Toney has old school defensive technique, ducking under and away from his opponent's jab, rolling his shoulder and coming up to slam his opponents with hard right hands, the way he rocked Jirov off the ropes. Floyd Mayweather Jr has remarkable ability to roll away from incoming barrages and does a beautiful job of making his adversary miss punch after punch until frustration sets in, but he doesn't have the big punch to keep his adversary from getting too bold. I also believe that out of that defensive shell, Toney was much faster and dangerous countering than Mayweather can be.
From the other side of view, Hatton can be much more relentless than Jirov was but I doubt that he can be effective b.c. the reach disadvantage cannot be disregarded and Mayweather is athletic enough to be systematically put against the ropes - Mayweather's high potshot output in the center plays a role against Hatton's swarming tactics I believe.
Nevertheless, it is an excellent comparision in terms of defensive and offensive styles in that position ( against the ropes). I still say that "The Brawl in Montreal" is the the better model with the classic confrontation of the pressure fighter Duran and the slick counter puncher Leonard but I never expected that this one would go the same way. Neither have I ever thought of a beating like Ray Robinson gave on the pretty straight-forward, defenseless LaMotta in the best of chances I give to Floyd.

 

Toney didn't have the mobility of Mayweather. He didn't move around the ring so much.

Jirov didn't clinch so much.

 

Jirov is no Hatton. Ricks a much better fighter than Jirov ever thought of being. I saw the Toney -Jirov fight and the Russian threw arm punches with no leverage all night. He seemed to be fighting in a panicked state.
Also, Mayweather, while sharing Toneys general ignorance and lack of civility, is much more dedicated to his craft than Toney ever was.
The comparison of Toney-Jirov to Hatton-Mayweather holds no weight whatsoever.

 

I seriously doubt FM-RH will turn out to be as good a fight as Toney-JIrov, that 2003 was a great fight and close too, and neither guy ever fought at that level of intensity again, i doubt Mayrunner could take the hard shot's Toney took that night..
Toney even thou is an ******* has a chin of iron..

 

Jirov is not Russian and you're underating him or overrating Hatton. He was not in a panicked state..his plan was to just keep beating on Toney and he paid the price..he's never been the same since after those 12 rounds.

I think the comparison is a good one.

 

In their fight 2003 both Jirov and Toney were in great shape. Yes, it's hard to believe, but even Toney was. Just have a look at the number of punches thrown by both of them in that fight. Yes, they are past their prime and fat now, but their fight was 2003 and Jirov was in his prime while Toney was in his '2nd prime'.

 

That was Toney's best fight, Jirov punched himself out was never the same after that, the best fight in the last 5 years..

 

how many times have i got to tell you boy, start watching boxing before commenting on it,

james toney was in great shape at cruiserweight, it was a great fight, just hope hatton-sinclaire is half as good as jirov-toney was.

 

I still say that Duran vs Leonard I or II may be the best comparisions.

In the first fight in the Olympic Stadium, Montreal, Duran ( 71-1, 56 Kos, loss to Esteban De Jesus avenged) was 29 years old, 5'6 1/2" tall and had 66'' of reach, Leonard ( 27-0, 18 Kos) 24 years old, 5'9 1/2'' tall and 72'' of reach, both about 145 pounds. Leonard was doing the same kind of talk Mayweather is doing now, that he gets no credit even if he would knock out Duran b.c. there would always be another foe said to beat him next while Duran was all about kayoing the favourite Sugar Ray.
The way Duran won was by mauling, brawling and driving Ray Leonard into the ropes by using fast speed overs and the strength of his upper body and putting his legs behind him to push Ray, leaving no punching room for Leonard to exercise his handspeed, and catch Leonard in his way in with short straight rights and left hooks with his heavy hands ( manos de piedra) - stunned Ray with a left hook in the 2nd, caught him with a short right in the 4th. Ray would comeback blazing with lightning fast flurries off the ropes from the 5th on ( despite missing the closing combination shot - a powerful, fast left hook as Duran ducked) but again, Duran would drive him into the ropes with short rights on the 8th, they would slow up the pace somewhere in the 9th and come down the end stretch with a final assault - there was a lot of complaints from Dundee for the holding and hitting but Filipino ref Carlos Padilla ( Ali-Frazier III in Manilla) did little more than nothing as Duran's manager put pressure on him before the fight - the result was as close as possible after 15 rds - Majority decision - 147-147, 146-144, 145-144 Duran ( Don King exultant in Duran's corner).

In the second fight in the Stardome, St Louis, LA with Ray Charles singing "America the beautiful" and an intimidating atmosphere for Duran, Roberto was still tryin to stalk him but there were two main differences to the first fight - Duran couldn't rush and get on top of him before he got off - Ray Leonard used a lot of side to side and circular movement - and the second reason was Leonard's use of the jab which he didn't use in the first match. Duran would quit ( the famous No Mas 2:44 s 8th round) and alleged a body blow that had weaken him but it was clear that rounds such as the 7th with Leonard outpunching him all the way, taunting him with poses and shuffles, discouraged Duran for the first time in some 72 fights. Even referee Octavio Meyran from Mexico ( Tyson vs Douglas 1990) couldn't believe it but Duran said more than once that he didn't want it no more.

 

Please don't compare Hatton to the greatest lightweight ever - Besides, Duran of Montreal would have made pure mince meat our of PBF, then outpointed and outboxed Hatton a week later.

Then Sugar Ray would have stopped them both.

 

thats actually a great comparison