Comparing Lewis and Rachman (Lewis' loss: why did it happen?)

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Comparing Lewis and Rachman:
    Lewis is top-10 ATG heavyweight. He is 3-times HW world champion. Lennox is one of the most successful HW champions. He retired at the top. He lost only twice.

    Rachman: good HW, nowhere near to great. Besides Lewis, has some good wins in Sanders, Meehan, Barret, Sullivan etc. On the other hand, he was decisioned by Ruis and ko'd by Maskaev twice. No one could imagine he'll stop great L. Lewis, but he did it. Why?

    Comparing them:

    Height, weight - Lewis MUCH bigger

    Punching power - Lews is definitely better puncher than Rachman

    Speed - Lewis is faster

    Skill level - Lewis' skill level much better

    Chin - Lewis' chin better


    Lewis ko'd Hasim in 4 in their second fight. Though he wasn't at the best shape in South Africa, he still had enough tools to earn a quick KO victory over Hasim. Why was he Ko'd by Rachman in their I fight? Your opinions.
     
  2. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it had something to do with lewis sticking his chin out and taunting him and then being hit by a massive right hand that would ko alot of heavyweights.
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Because LL was smiling at Rahman when he hit him with that hail mary.He even had the audacity to drop his hands and smile at Rahman through his gumshield as he recognised and got caught by a punch earlier.

    Says it all really. LL at the time was aloof and carried himself as though he was above the sport.He wasn't popular but merely a classic right time right place guy. He trained inefficiently.Turned up at SA late when the altitude was high.Assumed Rahman was a mere can. And sorely paid the price. The look on his face and his lay writhin on the floor like a stunted ****** was priceless. He was led back to his chair after being scraped of the canvass and still didnt know where he was moments later.
     
  4. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because nothing is written and in boxing a good punch can change everything.
     
  5. castle

    castle Member Full Member

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    plain and simple Lewis was getting tired and and had his mouth open breathing through it , Hagler who was a commentater on the fight actually called it think haglers exact words were .........Lewis has his mouth open breathing through it and we all know what happens when a boxer does that next thing bang Lewis was out
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Things aren't written in stone like that.

    What did Norton have over Ali? Chin? Nope. Experience? Nope. Confidence? Nope. Speed? nope. Stamina? Nope. Athleticity? Nope. Fluidity? Nope. Recovering ability? Nope. Power? Probably the only thing. Yet Norton beat him. Sometimes it's not about summing up intangibles.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Two things. He didn't train property and didn't acclimatise himself property, thus making him tired and careless and this is the heavyweight division where not seeing a punch or preparing to get hit by one can have devasting results. Lewis is usually the one dishing these results out, this time it was his turn to receive. There's no question that this, along with the McCall loss, has hurt his legacy.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He was a technical disaster in that passage of the fight. He goes cracking into the ropes slightly of balance, and comes off, angling into his opponent, slightly out of control of his own momentum with his hands at waist height and a mocking smile on his face. You can't do that in top flight boxing and certainly not when you are in with a HW.

    I am a big Lewis fan. He got what he desrved and i'm glad he got starched. Goes for any fighter with that level of technical savy, especially when it's born from disdain of the opponent.

    And IMO, Rahman II was Lewis' very best performance.
     
  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Rahman LL 2 was defintly one of his finest performances. Rahman was completely humiliated as a focused LL put on a clinic and did the 1st time what he was supposed to do. Any punch from any man over 200lbs that lands on the button can be a fight changing punch. LL clearly didnt realise this.
     
  10. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    I am not a Lewis hater but I will say that he got what he deserved that night. He did himself no favors by coming into that fight without the proper conditioning and if he had paid attention to history he'd have noticed that 2 of the division's biggest upsets (Ali/Foreman & Tyson/Douglas) had taken place in locations that were quite irregular by mainstream boxing standards. Hopefully future champions use these fights as a frame of reference when defending their titles in neutral countries. Especially satiated champions who think they're just going to (insert country here) to take a few pictures, sign some autographs, KO the opponent, and go home.

    That being said, Lewis took care of business in the rematch by doing exactly what an A-level fighter should do to a B-level fighter. One of the most vicious KO's ever. :!:
     
  11. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    It was a good performance but Rahman was made for him. As long as Lewis got off first he couldn't lose the fight. Great 2 punch combo to end the fight as well.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True enough. I should have expanded on the point and said various people weight these losses differently. Some think these two KO's are an aberation and others use it to justify how Lewis would loose to most ATG's. Is that a more complete answer? :good
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought a mirror had fallen in the next room.
     
  14. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have no clue about boxing.
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    But not as fragile as Rahman. Now that's some serious Grade A China, there. :yep