Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

I'm talking about roy jones using the palm of his left hand to touch Toney's right biceps to block Toneys shoulder roll counter, for example. The job that Roy Jones did vs Toney was unbelievable, absolutely amazing. Anyone not seeing that should buy a pair of glasses. Extraterrestrial level of IQ to make Toney look like a total noob and to make one of the best philly-shell guards in history look absolutely useless.

Btw, Toney smokes beterbiev alive. He rolls him and he smokes him.

 

I am, undoubtedly, an RJJ fan. I make no secret of that. So I will brace myself for the inevitable comebacks which seem part and parcel of this thread... But I also like to think of myself, overall, as a reasonable boxing fan.
I just find the lack of nuance in these discussion incredibly bizarre... '(insert latest hot LHW name here) KOs glass jawed Roy with a stiff jab!!)'
People continue to judge Jones at the totality of his reign at LHW, rather than when he was on top or at his best (best for the division - he was probably at his peak at SMW). He was very good at the weight and then, for a long time, very bad. Post Ruiz \ Tarver 2 he was not the same fighter. It's clear as night and day, whatever the reasons you want to posit for that are. Comparing his fights vs Johnson or Calzaghe, for example, in a h2h fight is like using the Ali from the Berbick fight in a hypo2hetical match up vs a peak Tyson. If you want to compare Beterbiev, career for career at LHW, wait until he retires and do it. Or choose who wins H2H at their peak.
Jones built a unique style on speed and reflexes which worked for a long time ... Until it did not. He was 49-1 when he lost cleanly - and pushing 35. But the Roy Jones of 1994 - 2003 - while not perfect - was a force to be reckoned with.

 

Tarver has never been stopped, McCallum has never been stopped, Del Valle has never been stopped, Gonzalez was very durable, Johnson has never been stopped.

So it seems like a weird criticism considering 2 of those 3 names would be top 3 wins for Beterbiev.

 

It's just too bad Roid didn't have this kind of mentality during his prime at LHW.

 

It’s difficult to have a debate about Roy on this board, people from both sides get emotional with the mere mention of his name.

It’s perfectly reasonable to pick Beterbiev over Roy, I’ve acknowledged this more than once in this thread.

But to argue this based on 35+ Beterbiev being better than 35+ Roy, to try to argue that the one that got KOd by Glen Johnson was the same Roy as ever is intellectually dishonest.

You can believe any factor for his decline. You can believe his sudden decline was because of PED use, or it was because of bulking up and cutting back down, or it was due to age, that he got old overnight, or that it was a combination of all 3. In any case, I don’t see how It’s deniable that post-Ruiz Roy was the same fighter as the one before the jump up and down in weight. And we have to go with the best versions of the fighters when we’re discussing their chances in fantasy match ups.

It sucks that Beterbiev got his chance against quality opposition mostly in his late 30s unlike Roy who was in world title fights and relatively big fights from the age 24 until his mid to late 30s, but that’s the reality of the situation.

Based on the reality, I can only gauge Beterbiev’s chances against RJJ from his fights against Gvozdyk, Bivol, Yarde and Browne and Roy’s chances against Artur from his fights against Montell Griffin, Hill(spare me the “he already lost to DM” crap) Reggie Johnson, Del Valle, Hall, Harding(not using Roy’s best and career defining win over Toney as It was not at 175) as that’s the sample we have from them at or close to their best against relatively quality opposition.

So based on all that, Roy by close decision is my pick for this fantasy match up.

 

This is the most reasonable and intelligent responsive I've read on this thread with its 200+ responses so far.

 

Then you missed my detailed breakdown of the fight on page 14 haha

 

How about this one. He beat Usyk in the Amatuers. Could Roy do that? Usyk beats Roy into the ground.

 

Shawn Porter beat Usyk in the Amateurs. Porter >>> Fury

 

Usyk was 20. Beterbiev beat Usyk when he was 22 and arguably beat him again when he was 26.

 

He didn't. He beat him 2 years after Porter got it done. Don't worry, we'll see Beterbiev at cruiserweight soon

 

Amateurs doesnt mean ****. How old was beterbiev and how old usyk. How many years had been boxing beterbiev and how many years usyk?

Amateurs doesnt mean ****. Posters in this forum should be forced to write this sentence 1000 times before being able to post.

What's next? are we going to talk about sparring sessions? are we going to watch fights in slow-mo? are we going to make a disertation about rotator cuffs?

Beterbiev wasnt able to win clearly to bivol, go to the poll, only 1 every 3 people think that beterbiev won that fight. Bivol's best victory is a blown up welter. FACTS.

 

It's like RJJ transferred some of his brain damage taken from his KOs over to your brain.