Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

So now you're changing the goalposts because i proved you have a lack of knowledge on a fighter ? do you just say any random nonsense that comes into your head ?

Clinton Woods beat Julio Cesar Gonzalez twice who dethroned long reign champion Dariusz Michalczewski, he also beat Glen Johnson who is another very notable Light Heavyweight.

As for the Light Heavyweight division never being a great division ? that's one of the dumbest comments i've ever read on this forum. So you've never heard of the likes of Michael Spinks, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Victor Galindez, John Conteh, Marvin Johnson, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, which is considered a great era for Light Heavyweights in the late 70s early 80s ?

In the 1940s/1950s you had Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, Ezzard Charles, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, which is another great era for Light Heavyweights infact you had the top 2 Light Heavyweights of all time in that same era Charles, Moore.

This era is not a strong era for Light Heavyweights either what are you talking about ? apart from Beterbiev and Bivol there's pretty much no real stand out Light Heavyweights.

Just stop replying it's clear you haven't got the boxing knowledge for this discussion it's actually alarming how limited your knowledge is.

 

Instead of arguing over knock downs which happen in the sport to almost anyone, you should be comparing their skills and attributes. Roy would have been way too fast and accurate for beterbiev who has poor defense and is very hittable. He would have smacked him around, and stopped him imo. Beterbiev would never be able to corner him consistently either with Roys feet. That is prime Roy not the shot version who was not able to let his hands go vs Glenn Johnson.

 

Again showing your lack of knowledge Richard Hall had two brutal wars with Dariusz Michaelczewski and disfigured Michalczewski's face in their 1st meeting with some feeling Michalczewski got a lucky break with the fight being stopped in his favour.

Instead of keep coming out with clueless comments you should watch more fights and increase your boxing knowledge.

 

That is some really bad logic. That is like saying mathew hatton went the distance with Canelo how the hell can Canelo stop Kovalev. I could make 50 other examples like that.

 

i would say both were hurt about the same, which wasnt much. enough to freeze em for a split second, but without an immediate follow up in that split second of helplessness, they can clear their head and get their feet under them by counts end.

 

I think Roy would struggle more with Bivol than Beterbiev. At least the Beterbiev of the Bivol fight.

Roy’s best weight was 168. He was still really good at light heavy. But if we’re being fair he was on Roids. Stuff that you wouldn’t get away with today.
Also Tarver doesn’t get enough credit for knocking Roy out. Watch that fight again, Roy’s speed was back and he was as confident as ever. Roy fans want to dismiss the loss as “he was never the same coming back down from heavyweight” that’s not true. Tarver knocked out a very good version of Jones. Jones looked much sharper than he did in their first fight.
After that fight, Roy was scared to be hit and his career totally tanked.

 

You're trolling.

 

Beterbiev could not even beat Bivol ( it was a draw) so how can he beat Roy Jones?

 

Roid Jones got knocked spark out by Glen Johnson. So how can he beat Artur Beterbiev?

 

Roid Jones had very poor fundamentals and defense along with a pathetic glass chin. His style was reliant on reflexes and athleticism. That's why he was so **** after 35. It's also why he so disgracefully ducked certain fighters throughout his career.

 

In what universe was it a draw? It was a close fight that Artur won.

 

@Serge i had to quote you like this because too many characters we both ramble on too much unfortunately :O

This is true but RJJ also moved up in weight and then dropped back down alot of weight and for me that's a no-no especially in your mid 30s. I don't think RJJ was completely shot vs Tarver i think the 1st fight he was very poor due to the immense weight loss, the 2nd fight i think RJJ was actually better prepared and looked better in the fight and just got caught with a perfect shot and that KO seemed to ruin him.

This maybe a controversial opinion but i actually think Tarver is a bigger puncher than Beterbiev in regards to single punch power Tarver has moved up to Heavyweight and stopped the likes of Jonathan Banks. I think Beterbiev hits harder than Tarver on a consistent basis but Tarver has more dangerous 1 punch power.

I also think Tarver is a more troubling style for RJJ than Beterbiev is to be quite honest, Tarver is a 6'2 rangey Southpaw counter puncher with dangerous power. Beterbiev is a come forward aggressive fighter who does get hit and RJJ didn't really struggle against pressure fighters.

If you believe that then doesn't that make RJJ's achievements even better then ? how many fighters with below average chins have become P4P number 1 fighters for a considerable amount of years ?

But you could also say he's not a world class fighter either well atleast he was unproven at that level anyway barring the knockdown vs Beterbiev.

Yeah but let's be real the more likely outcome is that RJJ treats Johnson as a sparring partner and stops him in the middle rounds similar to another British fighter Clinton Woods who was a better fighter and more durable.

Agreed but my issue is Serge is that there isn't alot of substance to Beterbiev's record so it's hard to really rate how good he is.

The win over Bivol is good in context of Beterbiev's age and that Bivol is a very good fighter, but on the flip side it also has a major asterisk over it due to the controversial nature of the decision and that alot felt he lost the fight even though i scored it a draw personally.

That's fair enough but the fact is his power has never really been apparent at world level and he's had 1 stoppage in 6 years which was against late replacement and that's what we have to judge it on. For me he's more like a Winky Wright type fighter both fighters with very good jabs high guard good defence. But neither fighter really puts much oomph behind their punches and just look to score clean accurate punches.

The thing is though Serge is Amateurs is Amateurs i don't know how much stock i could put into that in regards how it would translate into the professional game moving up in weight. I know their Amateur background is very extensive but i really don't know to be quite honest. Me personally i think Usyk, Loma, are more suited to beating bigger guys based on their styles. Beterbiev is a come forward aggressive fighter who probably can't fight a disciplined fight on the backfoot so i think he would come unstuck against elite fighters considerably bigger than him.

I think me calling him a weight bully was a tad unfair granted considering we have fighters like Haney who is the definition of a weight bully. The thing is though is that with the weigh ins now it's a totally different era fighters in the old days were pretty much all natural at their weight. Where as alot of fighters now rehydrate alot of weight that's the era we're are in now.

Yep no worries i'll try and get back to you later in the week if you reply stay safe peace.

 

Well Beterbiev is 40 & coming off a lay up via injury.. you think a 40 year old Roy Jones could even get close to a draw with someone the calibre of Bivol? The Guy wouldn't even step in the ring with DM at his peak .. when Roy was 40 he was getting abused by a near shot Calzaghe