Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Beterbiev could not even beat Bivol ( it was a draw) so how can he beat Roy Jones?

 

Roid Jones got knocked spark out by Glen Johnson. So how can he beat Artur Beterbiev?

 

Roid Jones had very poor fundamentals and defense along with a pathetic glass chin. His style was reliant on reflexes and athleticism. That's why he was so **** after 35. It's also why he so disgracefully ducked certain fighters throughout his career.

 

In what universe was it a draw? It was a close fight that Artur won.

 

@Serge i had to quote you like this because too many characters we both ramble on too much unfortunately :O

This is true but RJJ also moved up in weight and then dropped back down alot of weight and for me that's a no-no especially in your mid 30s. I don't think RJJ was completely shot vs Tarver i think the 1st fight he was very poor due to the immense weight loss, the 2nd fight i think RJJ was actually better prepared and looked better in the fight and just got caught with a perfect shot and that KO seemed to ruin him.

This maybe a controversial opinion but i actually think Tarver is a bigger puncher than Beterbiev in regards to single punch power Tarver has moved up to Heavyweight and stopped the likes of Jonathan Banks. I think Beterbiev hits harder than Tarver on a consistent basis but Tarver has more dangerous 1 punch power.

I also think Tarver is a more troubling style for RJJ than Beterbiev is to be quite honest, Tarver is a 6'2 rangey Southpaw counter puncher with dangerous power. Beterbiev is a come forward aggressive fighter who does get hit and RJJ didn't really struggle against pressure fighters.

If you believe that then doesn't that make RJJ's achievements even better then ? how many fighters with below average chins have become P4P number 1 fighters for a considerable amount of years ?

But you could also say he's not a world class fighter either well atleast he was unproven at that level anyway barring the knockdown vs Beterbiev.

Yeah but let's be real the more likely outcome is that RJJ treats Johnson as a sparring partner and stops him in the middle rounds similar to another British fighter Clinton Woods who was a better fighter and more durable.

Agreed but my issue is Serge is that there isn't alot of substance to Beterbiev's record so it's hard to really rate how good he is.

The win over Bivol is good in context of Beterbiev's age and that Bivol is a very good fighter, but on the flip side it also has a major asterisk over it due to the controversial nature of the decision and that alot felt he lost the fight even though i scored it a draw personally.

That's fair enough but the fact is his power has never really been apparent at world level and he's had 1 stoppage in 6 years which was against late replacement and that's what we have to judge it on. For me he's more like a Winky Wright type fighter both fighters with very good jabs high guard good defence. But neither fighter really puts much oomph behind their punches and just look to score clean accurate punches.

The thing is though Serge is Amateurs is Amateurs i don't know how much stock i could put into that in regards how it would translate into the professional game moving up in weight. I know their Amateur background is very extensive but i really don't know to be quite honest. Me personally i think Usyk, Loma, are more suited to beating bigger guys based on their styles. Beterbiev is a come forward aggressive fighter who probably can't fight a disciplined fight on the backfoot so i think he would come unstuck against elite fighters considerably bigger than him.

I think me calling him a weight bully was a tad unfair granted considering we have fighters like Haney who is the definition of a weight bully. The thing is though is that with the weigh ins now it's a totally different era fighters in the old days were pretty much all natural at their weight. Where as alot of fighters now rehydrate alot of weight that's the era we're are in now.

Yep no worries i'll try and get back to you later in the week if you reply stay safe peace.

 

Well Beterbiev is 40 & coming off a lay up via injury.. you think a 40 year old Roy Jones could even get close to a draw with someone the calibre of Bivol? The Guy wouldn't even step in the ring with DM at his peak .. when Roy was 40 he was getting abused by a near shot Calzaghe

 

Beterbiev at 40 only has 22 professional fights and not fought that many notable opponents.

RJJ when he had his first real loss had 50 professional fights had gone up multiple weightclasses and fought way more notable opponents big difference.

As for Michalczewski RJJ was not willing to travel to Germany and Michalczewski was not willing to travel to America a bit different than what you're implying.

 

Easy. By landing a punch on Roy's Jelly Glass Jaw which was putrid. It's totally possible Bivol has a better Chin than Roy.

 

Whilst eating punches from a hard puncher himself with blazing speed.

Bivol is not in the same league as RJJ regarding speed or power.

 

It's 100% reality. The shot Joe Smith Jr. caught Bivol with for instance would have left Roid out cold for a week. FFS! Featherfised Glen Johnson had Roid knocked out for a full five minutes! Bivols chin is godly in comparison.

 

I suggest you watch RJJ breaking Hill's ribs with one punch and the rag dolling Griffin all over the ring in 1 round and then tell me RJJ didn't have power at Light Heavyweight.

Why do you constantly come out with nonsense when you don't know what you're talking about ? Everytime I've engaged with you in this thread you've showed you don't have the knowledge so please just stop.

 

Yeah I'm not buying what you are selling. Roy wasn't a power puncher at 175. He was more than perfectly content to just go the 12 rounds.
The idea that Beterbiev wouldn't land one single punch on Glass Jaw Roy but fighters like Lou Del Valle could is laughable. Feather fisted Glen Johnson knocked Roy into next week for christ sakes!

 

Rank these Chins for us this should be very simple:

Bivol
Beterbiev
Roy