Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

This is such a weird argument.
You are taking a shot version of a fighter and using that as reasoning that he would lose when he was younger as well. It's like saying Kevin McBride would always beat Mike Tyson.
Jones was finished by the time of the Johnson fightt. Even the commentary team said he was not the same fighter any more - repeatedly.

 

The fact that Beterbiev and Bivol fought each other is more than Reluctant Roy (which the very cable network he fought on called him because he wouldn't make the big fights they wanted) would ever do. Beterbiev and Bivol are willing to take risks. Roy wasn't. That's the answer that you seem to not understand.

 

Especially when they're comparing a fighter aka RJJ who started off as Middleweight who had over double the amount of professional fights to Beterbiev with a far better resume and had 50 professional fights when he started to show weaknesses.

Compared to Beterbiev who has only 22 professional fights with not alot of substance to his resume and he's a Cruiserweight fighting in the Light Heavyweight division.

But yeah you got to love that "logic" trying to rationalize with haters is a waste of time.

 

Was Jones also 'finished' when he fought Lou Del Valle?
Beterbiev would knock Glass Jaw Roy into next decade and I think there is also a chance Bivol does as well.

 

Beterbiev has all the belts and he got them by fighting the top guys in the Division. He didn't get them by writing letters to various sanctioning bodies demanding certain fighters be stripped or removed as a mandatory etc. That's the difference between Beterbiev, Bivol and Glass Jaw Roy. Roy wasn't willing to take the risks. Beterbiev and Bivol were. Its really that simple.

 

No. But you had to catch him to knock him out - which nobody did until he was 34. Just because Del Valle (a former sparring partner) knocked him down (but not out) doesn't necessarily mean AB would. That's not how it works. Ali was knocked down by Henry Cooper but Foreman and Liston couldn't ko him. Have you even seen the Johnson fight? Not the same fighter.

 

Tyson had a long career, wars and his body was physically destroyed. Why did Roids career take such a sudden and drastic nosedive?

 

It took years for Bivol/Beterbiev to happen the reason why RJJ and Michalczewski never happened is because one fighter fought primarily in Germany the other in America and neither wanted to travel I've told you this countless times.

And I've also gave you rankings of the fighters RJJ beat.

Griffin ranked 4th
Hill ranked 3rd
Del Valle ranked 4th
Johnson ranked 5th
Harding ranked 3rd

5 fighters ranked in the top 5.

He also took on Tarver at age 35 who was the ranked number 1 Light Heavyweight after fighting at Heavyweight.

So all this drivel from you that RJJ never took "risks" is complete nonsense backed up by actual facts of how the fighters were ranked at the time not your "opinion" which is nonsense.

 

The mere idea that Lou Del Valle could land a punch and knock Glass Jaw Roy down but Beterbiev couldn't is peak delusion. We aren't talking about the Johnson fight. I'm talking about Glass Jaw Roy getting put down and hurt by Lou Del Valle when he was still in his 'Prime'.
Beterbiev is a savage finisher its over for Roy after the first knockdown Beterbiev isn't going to struggle to put the clincher on him like Del Valle did.

 

Lou Del Valle was ranked as high as number 3 in the world remind me what Callum Johnson did in his career ?

 

Roy never fought DM. Just like he never fought a host of other guys in the various divisions he fought in. Beterbiev and Bivol were NOT scared to fight each other. It happened. Nobody or no tv networks are calling them 'Reluctant'

 

And again how many times do I have to say it ?

"Neither fighter was willing to travel"

Who are these fighters RJJ avoided at Light Heavyweight ? He beat 5 top 5 ranked Light Heavyweights and took on Tarver who was ranked number 1.

I deal in facts not your baseless opinion.

 

Who did Jones miss at LtHW aside from DM? What where they ranked at the time Jones held the belts? Since you seem to know it all, should be easy to answer.

 

Hill, Telesco and Ruiz should've iced Roy with the first few punches they landed by this logic. Bivol also backed Beterbiev up with counters. Are you saying Roy can't do one better than Yarde, Marcus Browne and Enrico Kölling ? Yarde just went life and death with a journeyman and has no gas tank

 

Just to finally add I have nothing against Bivol or Beterbiev I wouldn't say I'm a fan of either fighter but I respect them alot as fighters.

I just don't see why.we have to discredit a past great fighter to make them look better ?

RJJ was fantastic in his prime Bivol and Beterbiev have yet to complete their journeys and anything could happen in a rematch so let's wait and see how everything pans out in their careers.