Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Most fans had Beterbiev well ahead on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage. Moreover Beterbiev was 38 vs Yarde and probably slipping. If we are going to hold the Yarde fight against Beterbiev then Roy's loss to Tarver at age 35 should count as well.

 

You’re saying, “Roy became HW champ.” Shows you are just a hater (of truth), pointless debating.

 

Ruiz won the belt from Holyfield. He was not Lewis but he proved to be a solid HW fighter with a bunch of decent wins. He was no bum and not an easy beat.

 

Some facts we can all agree on.

Prime Roy was extremely hard to hit clean and corner.
Prime Roy was leagues faster than Beterbiev, and with KO power.
Prime Roy was more skilled.
Beterbiev does not have 1 punch power.
Beterbiev has poor defense and is very hittable.

How this translates to Beterbiev beating Roy Jones is beyond me.

 

@Serge i just caught up on some of your replies and in all honesty i don't want to go into all of it again. I think you said it right we're going round in circles with some of these points and i'm the type of guy that likes to debate with a few replies then move on. I don't think we're a million miles away in some of our thoughts i think we just see a few things differently.

I quoted this part of your post and for me that's good enough you clearly respect him as a fighter it's just we see certain aspects differently. The only think i disliked about this thread is that the person who made it no offence doesn't have the knowledge on RJJ's career, and it is frustrating when you see a fighter getting discredited from someone who doesn't actually know properly about RJJ's opposition or the context of his career.

I'm going to bail out of this thread now i think everything has been addressed, i would still pick RJJ to beat Beterbiev because i think he get's hit far too much for my liking. But obviously i realize Beterbiev would be a threat to RJJ and i certainly wouldn't be overly confident in my pick.

 

Yarde landed 38% of his power punches against Beterbiev. Bivol landed 50%, which is higher than he landed against Zurdo. Beterbiev has poor defense and would be target practice for Roy Jones. If you can't even acknowledge these facts, its pointless discussing it.

 

Compubox doesn't back up the assessment that he was harder to hit than Beterbiev
McCallum landed 209 punches
Hopkins landed 153 punches
Lou de Valle landed 113 punches

 

What % though?

 

Can we all atleast agree: That if it was Beterbiev that landed that Glen Johnson punch on Roy that night. Roy would probably be buried in a cemetery somewhere. Let us all put our differences aside and agree upon this. Because if a 5 ft 9 former middleweight in Glen Johnson can put that Roy to sleep for a few minutes than a formidable puncher in Beterbiev...

 

Read it again nuthugger. John Ruiz was not THE Heavyweight champion. He was a trinket paper belt holder who had mediocre skills.
Michael Spinks fought THE Heavyweight Champion. Usyk fought THE Heavyweight champion. What Roy did is minimal in comparison in fact there is no comparison. Glass Jaw Roy in typical fashion handpicked the easiest target at the time then promptly dropped the belt afterwards. Glass Jaw Roy tried the same thing at Light Heavyweight by handpicking feather fisted Glen Johnson so he could pick up a trinket belt and call himself a ‘champion’ again but it backfired when he got his Glass Jaw shattered into a million pieces

Roy cautiously and carefully maneuvered through divisions during his career where he never beat a Lineal, Unified, or Undisputed Champion because he was reluctant which HBO called him out on and we all know why. That Glass Chin was abysmal.

 

You’ve been saying the same nonsense for years now.

You’re as ignorant now, as what you were a decade ago.

You have learnt absolutely nothing.


You haven’t got the capacity for an objective debate.

You are completely incapable of discussing this subject objectively.


Your posts are amusing though. Simply because you seem completely and utterly oblivious to the fact of how much you contradict yourself.


I’m going to join the thread properly tomorrow.

But first, I’ll just look at the above nonsense, just as a warm up.


Now according to your Einstein level of intellect, Roy was a glass jawed former MW who never took any risks in his career.

Really?


So: A glass jawed fighter fought a B level HW who out weighed him by over 30 pounds, but there was no risk taken there??

None?


Yes, we’re all well aware that Roy didn’t accomplish what Spinks and Usyk did.

Yes, we are fully aware that John Ruiz was a B level HW with an ugly style, and in no way THE HW champion, who was Lennox Lewis.

However, if you’re mocking him for having a glass jaw, where he lost to a non punching LHW in Glen Johnson, then how could fighting even a B level HW, NOT have been a risk??


Fighting ANY B level HW, HAD to have been a risk for a glass jawed former MW.

It’s nonsensical to argue otherwise.

Ruiz not being as great as Lennox Lewis, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a risky fight for a glass jawed former MW.


Now let’s look at what happened after he’d fought John Ruiz:

He burnt muscle in order to drop back to LHW, where he fought a very capable rangy southpaw in Tarver.

So he took a big risk in losing the weight, where he was advised not to by the guy who’d helped him gain it, and the stylistic match up of the fight was also a big risk to him.


Then what happened?

He BARELY beat Tarver, in the HARDEST fight of his career.


Then what? Did he retire? Did he move divisions?

No.

He then immediately REMATCHED the guy who he’d barely beaten.


He was then knocked out, which gave you great delight.

Yet less than a month later, he signed to fight Johnson.

He was then knocked out again.


Then what did this risk adverse glass jawed fighter do? Retire?

No.

He then rematched the same guy who’d knocked him out the previous year.


So: He fought a B level HW, before fighting Johnson, as well as Tarver x 3.

Yet he didn’t take any risks, become some non entity with access to a keyboard says otherwise??

Ha!

Get back to the circus you clown.


Oh and BTW, HBO absolutely backed him in the early 00’s, where along with Roy’s advisors, they went out of their way to try and obtain fights with both Dariusz and Hopkins.

 

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Still trolling after all of these years.

It might be a record of some sort.


I love Artur.

I think that he’s great.

However, he’s only fought 10 world level fighters in his entire pro career.


Eight of those were B-C level guys.


His biggest win was against Bivol, where the majority of the boxing world believes that he lost.


So, yeah.

Let us not compare his reign to Roy’s just yet.

 

They would have been very difficult fights for Roy.

Both great fighters.