Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

BS.

Today’s LHW division is not in any way stacked.

You are clueless.

 

Would a guy who got dropped by Henry Cooper, have gone on to have beaten a ferocious George Foreman??

Great logic, Einstein.

 

That’s your level of thinking?

Is this really what you’ve been reduced to?

 

Who did he duck?

 

Another genius like post, with zero context applied.


Artur has only been a pro for 10 years.

He’s only fought 10 world level fighters, with only one of them being elite, who he barely beat.


Yes, he’s in much better shape than Roy was in at a similar age.

But at a similar age, Roy had fought almost 60 pro fights, across 5 division, spanning 20 years.


Why don’t you think before you type?


Abused by a near shot Calzaghe?

Calzaghe wasn’t nearly shot.

He was coming in off of the best wins of his career, where he was a top 10 P4P fighter at the time.


You also keep talking about the fight with Dariusz, where I’ve told you repeatedly, that no official meetings ever took place.

Not one.

Because Universum would never sit down with Roy’s advisors and the execs from HBO.

Dariusz was more than happy milking his lightly regarded WBO in Germany, just like how Calzaghe did for years with his in Britain.

 

The same network you’re talking about went out of their way to try and make the fights with Dariusz and Hopkins.

We have detailed statements from Kerry Davis and Mark Taffet.

I posted the links years ago.


The fans were bored with Roy’s easy wins, and they wanted fights against Dariusz and Hopkins.

A segment of fans and media were behind the ‘Roycott’

However, it was only very briefly, and they weren’t aware of what was happening behind the scenes.


HBO supported him.

They offered Hopkins $6m and an extra fight on HBO.

Mark Taffet has said that.

Yet Hopkins demanded $10m, before taking a year out.


Also, Telesco, Gonzalez and Harmon were all pre-approved fights by HBO.


You have no idea what you’re talking about.

You are an ignoramus.

You’re only getting my time, because I’ve decided that clowning you guys is slightly more entertaining than doing a few household chores.

 

Roy immediately rematched Tarver, then fought him in a trilogy, after 2 consecutive knockout defeats.

Yet some online nobody claims that he never took risks.

SMH.

 

Terrible logic.

Del Valle was a tall southpaw who’d sparred many rounds with him.


Yes, Artur is on another level.

Yes, Artur could have knocked out Del Valle.


But they’re completely different stylistic match ups.

Artur couldn’t have landed that same southpaw left hand.


You are using casual fan logic and making a fool of yourself.

 

Roy should 100% have fought Roch.

And he should have been made to take that fight by the WBC.

What they did was absolutely outrageous.


Regarding Maske, he’d retired with a loss against Hill, just as Roy was making his debut in the division.

 

The 193 pounds was the official weight, which was of course reported by all of the news outlets at the time.

However, if you were around at the time, and/or you’d watched the documentary leading up to the fight, titled “The Sweet Science” you’ll remember that the weight was heavily debated.

Before the official weigh-in, Roy’s manager, Alton Merkerson, had gotten into an altercation with Ruiz’ manager, Norman Stone. Merkerson hit him with a right hand after they’d traded words.

Roy was then weighed.

Marc Ratner weighed him.

Mackie Shilstone, the man who’d helped Roy to add the weight for Ruiz, then challenged Rainer’s scales. He said that they’d not calibrated properly.

Then the following day, Ratner weighed Roy again, where he weighed 199 pounds.

Ratner and Mackie then joked that a mistake had been made the first time around.

Again, it’s on the documentary.

Thomas Hauser was then made aware of this, where he reported the incident.

Hauser detailed what had happened, and said that Roy weighed in again at 199 pounds, which meant that he’d have been around 196 pounds, minus 3 pounds for his clothing.

Roy never added 20 pounds of muscle.

It was around 10 pounds of muscle which was added, then shredded.

 

Surely anybody can see the very noticeable difference between his physique for Ruiz and Tarver.

He’s very noticeably bigger against Ruiz.

 

HBO had a list of approved opponents, and fighters they really wanted him to face.

The main guys they wanted were: Dariusz, Hopkins II and Tito. (if he could have moved up higher than MW, had he have beaten Hopkins in King’s tournament)

They were also interested in Tarver, Jirov and any HW.

They actually didn’t want a Collins fight in the late 90’s.

 

This is all nonsense what we’ve discussed numerous times.


He fought his low level mandatories like everybody did.

And he had mandatory obligations from all three of the main org’s, after he’d beaten Reggie.


His keep busy fights weren’t bad fights either.

Gonzalez and Harmon were okay fighters, and HBO wanted Telesco, after he’d kept running his mouth off.


The big 2 what the network and everybody else wanted, were Dariusz and Hopkins.


Again, Universum would not meet. Not ever. No official face to face meetings ever happened for a Dariusz fight. All of their advances were ignored. Because of this, HBO then sent over a fax, (this was in 2001) with the offer of Dariusz being showcased in front of a live U.S. TV audience along with Roy, in what HBO referred to as being a ‘Double Header’

Yet that was instantly turned down flat. No enquiries were made on the date, the purse or the proposed opponent/opponents.

Also, no official enquiries were made for Roy to go to Germany, for Dariusz to go to the U.S. or even for a proposed fight somewhere neutral.

They weren’t interested.


Regarding Hopkins, again, after their famous argument live on HBO, Hopkins was met privately, where he was offered $6m, as well as an extra fight on the network.

And that was turned down flat. No compromise. Hopkins demanded $10m, or no fight for a 168 pound catch-weight.


Those were the big 2 fights of the day, which really could have sealed his legacy.

Over the years, I have posted numerous links with first hand statements from the guys at HBO, most notably Kerry Davis and Mark Taffet.


This wasn’t Roy claiming this.

This was the top execs at HBO.

Mark Taffet met Hopkins one to one, the week after his fight against Carl Daniels. And he says that Hopkins wasn’t interested, as he was demanding $10m, when the majority of his purses had been around $1.2m.


Those guys simply did not want to fight Roy in 2001 and 2002.

Those are the facts.

 

What skill?

Technique, timing, balance, leverage and accuracy are all skills, you ignoramus.


Are you for real?


Trolling for over a decade now.


Have a word with yourself.

 

Bivol and Beterbiev are both excellent fighters.

So I don’t agree that many of Roy’s opponents would have beaten them both with ease.