Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Wow man. That's one of the most pathetic things that I have ever seen written. You must have a really great life.

 

Which part? Are you denying that Glass Jaw Roy said he "didn't try to win" in the third Tarver fight because his Dad would have received all the credit? Are you denying that Roy continued to get knocked out over and over after the second Tarver fight? Roy was brutally exposed and when that happened it was over for him. His opponents showed him no respect. None.

 

One thing that stands out is that you didn't deny anything so my condolences and best of luck to you.

 

Prime Roy was too quick/fast. Too graceful. They wouldnt touch him. Wouldnt get him in trouble. With Beterviev it would be horribly boring It would be Fury vs Wlad sped up about 2 times except with Roy landing a few more punches.

RJr beats Bivol by easy/boring UD or maybe stoppage.

They just arent fast enough to have troubled RJjr at his peak.

 

One thing for certain, prior to Tarver even throwing such a punch at Beterbiev, he wouldn't have the nerve or any reason to say: "you got any excuses tonight (Roy)?". If he has the gall to say something remotely close to that, Artur Beterbiev would shorten Tarver's wakefulness by a few rounds.

 

Beterbiev is not elite in either of those. All this talk about what Beterbiev would do to Roy with his offense but what about what Roy would do to that punching bag? He wouldn't be able to miss Beterbiev, who has knocked done twice by C grade fighters in his prime.

 

realsoulja,

IMHO, the win over Tarver was much clearer than Artur’s win over Bivol.

If you watch the Tarver fight, Buddy McGirt, who trained Tarver for the fight, kept questioning why Tarver wasn’t carrying out his instructions. And Tarver just sat there looking completely despondent. He was confident after the fight, where threw his arms around at what he perceived to be the wrong decision. But the truth is, he couldn’t do what McGirt was asking of him. And that version of Roy was there for the taking, where he was running on fumes in the last 3 rounds.

Absolutely. Even though I feel as though Bivol won a close fight, for Artur to perform like that at his age, after having come back from his injury and inactivity, that was amazing.

That’s right. Artur came back very strong, whereas you could see that Sergio was struggling in his fights.

Again, it was incredibly impressive. I have to disagree with you on him not looking his normal self though. Because I thought that he looked great. Very sharp. I just think that Bivol and his style is the reason why he didn’t look his normal self, where he didn’t get his normal knockout.

I would agree. Although I was looking from the POV of Roy being drained, and it being a very tough stylistic match up for him, due to Tarver being a very good, rangy southpaw.

Regarding Hopkins vs Tarver, Hopkins was obviously an ATG, and Tarver swears that he was devoid of energy after dropping the weight from the Rocky movie.

He actually said that he thought that he may have been poisoned.

The truth is: After his famous question to Roy before their second fight, he couldn’t say that it was due to the loss of muscle. His ego wouldn’t let him say that, as he’d have had to have apologised to Roy.

Tarver says that he felt great in camp, but on the night of the fight, he felt completely flat. He had no energy at all.

Now I’ve always been in two minds about this. It could have been his ego talking, after an embarrassing loss to Hopkins. But at the same time, it could have been legit. (the issues with burning muscle, not him having being poisoned) And I say that, due to it also happening to Roy, Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson, where they all experienced the exact same issues.

Regarding Bivol vs Tarver, we don’t know how that fight would have played out. Bivol is the better P4P fighter, but I believe that Tarver would have given him some stylistic issues.

To my knowledge, Bivol has only fought one top level southpaw, in Zurdo.

I don’t agree at all.

I’d say that Bivol’s win over Artur was clearer. But then obviously Artur won officially.

I’m really looking forward to the rematch.

I believe that that number has been disputed. But yes, I recognise the wear and tear. But we can’t just write off 50 wins, where most of them were at world level.

He did. As did Loma. And it’s interesting to me, pondering on how they’d both be right now, had they have turned pro years earlier.

Artur’s wins over Smith, Cloud and Campillo were very impressive. 100%

But they weren’t as impressive as Roy’s victories.

Again, he knocked out Griffin with a lead uppercut in the first round.

He decimated Hill in just 4 rounds, where he was the only guy to ever do it.

Again, he fought Reggie like Reggie was a nobody, despite Reggie being a very skilful southpaw who was in form.

So Artur hasn’t got wins that are as impressive.

It will always be debated. And it’s just a crying shame that Roy and Dariusz never fought each other.

 

But he didn’t take risks, right?

Tarver gave him his hardest ever fight.

Yet Roy immediately rematched him.

Then after getting knocked out, he then immediately signed to fight Johnson.

And then after getting knocked out again, he then fought Tarver again, after a year out and no tune up.

So: After back to back knockouts, he rematched the guy who’d knocked him out in 2 rounds.

But he didn’t take risks, right??

Clown.

 

Ha!

Well of course you were always going to type this.

I wouldn’t have expected anything less.


On a serious note, Artur is a great fighter. And I can absolutely envisage a realistic scenario where he could have beaten Roy.

But then I can also envisage a scenario where Roy would have had a very realistic chance of having beating Artur.

And it would be absolutely nonsensical to have written Roy off completely.


Bivol has just shown us the game plan that Roy would have utilised.

Bivol’s speed and style caused Artur huge issues. And it’s not because Artur is old and washed up, as we saw that he looked in great form. It’s because his style had presented him with something that he’d not seen before in a pro fight.

Now I don’t have to tell you, that Roy was faster than Bivol, with more power, better reflexes and where he possessed a bigger repertoire of shots in his arsenal.


Now I’m sure that you’ll come back saying that this wasn’t Artur in his prime.

Well there is zero evidence to support an opinion that even a prime version of Artur would easily have beaten Bivol. And if we were to focus on what you perceive to have been a prime version of Artur, then we can see that he was just as easy to hit as he currently is, where we saw him get dropped by two B level fighters, who were nowhere near Roy’s level.

 

As predicted, you’ll solely focus on one guy, but completely ignore the circumstances of the other.


What spin?


You’re writing off 50 pro fights and camps, most at world level, where you’re instead highlighting 3 round amateur fights.


Yes, Artur absolutely has wear and tear.

But then so did Roy.


You’re talking about a guy who trained under Roy Snr, since he was a young kid.

You’re talking about a guy who was literally hit with a lead pipe, and made to spar older kids with a hand tied behind his back.

You’re talking about a kid who was made to run 10 miles per day.


Roy had plenty of wear and tear.

He was sparring Ray Leonard, Lindel Holmes and Reggie Johnson when he was young.

He had over 130 amateur fights. And he had wars in some of them, like against Gerald McClellan.


He then trained every day, even went not in a camp.

He ran miles, just ticking over.

Then he had all of those camps and fights, where each one was at least 7-8 weeks, before then fighting mostly world level opposition.


So he too trained like a maniac back then.

He famously went running in Vegas after he’d beaten Toney.

He also had numerous hand injuries, and had to have knee surgery towards the end of his career.


So both fighters had plenty of wear and tear.

We also have no idea how Artur would have looked at 35 plus, had he have had less amateur fights, as well as 50 pro fights, across numerous divisions.

Also, regarding Artur’s number of amateur fights, I’ve seen a few people/publications have questioned that. But either way, they both had wear and tear after training almost on a daily basis since they were young.


The final thing to note/question, is that you keep saying how much that Artur was hit, as well as how much that Roy wasn’t, yet at the same time, you wouldn’t have given Roy even a chance of having beaten him.

I find that amusing.

Roy absolutely could have beaten him.

 

Thanks.

It’s not difficult.

 

I think that this is an exaggeration.

They’re both great fighters.

But Roy could absolutely have beaten them both with his great speed and unorthodox style.