Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    One of the biggest clowns on the forum.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He only had the nerve to say that as he’d just fought him in a close fight.

    And he thought that Roy was making excuses.

    However, as I’ve noted in my previous reply to you, the exact same thing happened to Tarver when he fought Hopkins.

    Tarver swears to it.

    So that famous quote really did come back to bite him, just a few years later.
     
  3. Loudon

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    Tell that to Toney, Hopkins and Hill etc.

    Easier said than done against that type of speed and style.
     
  4. Loudon

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    Exactly.

    They’ll only look from one perspective.

    We also had the same kind of debates when GGG and Kovalev first came onto the scene.
     
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  5. Eternal

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    The man has issues, so do I and the same also probably applies to you. We should not call each other clowns however or try to demean or degrade each other.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    I don’t normally.

    But he’s been doing this since I became a member. And that was nearly 13 years ago.
     
  7. LenHarvey

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    His LHW legacy is mainly built off of Bivol & Gvozdyk. Those were his main era rivals. The WBC champion & the WBA champion. What's wrong with that? Who were Roys? DM & Tarver. What happened there? He didn't fight one & lost twice to the other. Conclusively. Hill was a good fighter but he was coming off a loss. As great as Roy was his legacy at LHW was not only unfulfilled but quite dubious if you factor in his obvious extreme PED use, unwillingness to fight good foreign fighters & the losses to Tarver. None of which to date you can tar Beterbiev with despite being nearly 5 years older than Roy was when he suffered his first proper loss. You lot can bang on about his 25lbs weight loss after Ruiz but James Toney was regularly starting camps nearly 50lbs above his fighting weight.. wheres the critique of Jones' win over him then? IMO Beterbiev has now surpassed Roy Jones at LHW.
     
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  8. Eternal

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    What's missing from this discussion a bit is the greatness of James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Antonio Tarver, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Eric Harding, Lou Del Valle, Mike McCullum and Julio Cesar Gonzalez. These are all fighters that Roy Jones jr beat. And while RJjr didn't beat all of them at LHW they all passed through that division at a later time. Jesus what a list.

    No way these Bguys would have gotten through them. Reggie Johnson and Lou Del Valle would have koed them, McCullum was no joke. Hill would never have lost to them and the same applies for the Eric Harding that met Roy in the middle of the ring, Cesar Gonzalez may have lost to them but he would have made such fights competitive and there would always have been the chance of him beating them by ko.
     
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  9. Serge

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    :lol: And of course you were always going to come along with your little sushi in hand and absolutely saturate this thread with a tsunami of your pro Roy jizz and spin like a doe-eyed infatuated horny little teenager fantasizing about their celebrity teen crush

    Yeah, 99% for Roy, 1% for Beterbiev

    I never write off any world class fighter's chance of beating another world class fighter. No fighter is ''unbeatable'' or ''Superman.'' The only groups of boxing fans who believe that nonsense is the cult known as Rojos and Tyson fans.


    Versus an almost 40 y/o Beterbiev coming of torn meniscus. I told everyone before the fight Bivol was going to cause him a lot of issues with his speed and movement and that he possessed the perfect style, skills and attributes which would do so for a fighter who was four months away from turning 40, let alone one coming off a serious knee injury and surgery, one of those attributes being defence and him literally getting hit less than any other fighter in the game.

    I also told everyone that I gave Bivol a much better chance of beating this version of Beterbiev than I ever had before


    Yes, stylistically Bivol would always pose a fighter with Beterbiev's style problems but likewise Beterbiev would always pose a fighter with his style problems too

    Do you think a prime, fresh Beterbiev whose body had a lot less wear and tear on it wouldn't have beaten Bivol?

    You think it would've played out exactly the same if they were both in their primes and Beterbiev wouldn't have been able to get him out of there? :lol:

    You also don't have to tell me that Roy was super enhanced on PEDs and he spent the first 11 years of his career not being tested at all for PEDs and when he did actually start being tested it wasn't remotely anywhere near as stringent or frequent as the top fighters of today are being. Roy's chances of passing VADA are about as high as his chances of winning Dog Owner of the Year. It's you who need to be told that

    And Bivol doesn't have an old lady glass jaw like Roy does and if he was on Roy's roids all his attributes would be enhanced too

    Why wouldn't I when he obviously isn't? No fighter who is a few months shy of turning 40 is in their prime, Roystein, let alone one who had as extensive amateur career and has been plagued with injuries throughout their 30s like he has

    There's also zero evidence of me saying Beterbiev would've beaten Bivol easily in his prime. I doubt I've even said such even when I was trolling. I don't think Beterbiev would beat Roy easily either. I just think he would catch up to him at some point and knock him out. The same thing applies with prime Beterbiev vs prime Bivol

    And do you mean what I ''perceive'' to be a prime version of him? Again, he's about to turn 40 in January

    I've been a fan of his since 2008 and I've been watching him ever since. I know what I'm talking about.

    So now you're citing balance issue KDs when after he'd been pushed backwards, out of position, shoved off balance with a forearm to the throat/chin, and then cracked with a sneaky punch when his feet were out of position as he was throwing a shot of his own and he was off balance?

    The Callum Johnson KD was legit but Johnson hits extremely hard and he could drop an elephant with those thumping hooks of his

    Roy was knocked out in the amateurs by a featherfisted bum, dropped hard by Del Valle, and sparked out cold by a Grandpa Glenn love tap and he has been brutally KO'd or knocked senseless by damn near every legit banger he ever fought

    At one point it looked like he was trying to break the world record for being brutally KO'd on the most amount of continents

    The irony :lol:

    You're usual pro Roy obsessed fanboy/why are you following me creepy stalker spin
     
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  10. Serge

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    What have I written off? Again, I never said Roy didn't have any wear and tear. I said Beterbiev has a lot more due to styles, being plagued with injury throughout his 30s, and his extremely extensive amateur career

    Roy was not fighting at the world level for his first 21 fights other than against Jorge Castro and as you Rojos keep telling us he was so untouchable and godly in his 'prime' he rarely got hit and wasn't involved in any wars.

    It doesn't matter if they were 3 round fights Beterbiev had 300 amateur of them fighting with a very pro oriented aggressive take one to land one put miles on your clock style and he wasn't cherrypicking and ducking and dodging opponents he was fighting everyone they put in front of him

    Yes but not as much as a near 40 y/o Beterbiev does

    You're talking about a guy who you literally want to have sex with and who you're so obsessed with would be absolutely horrified and have an injunction put out on you ASAP if he caught wind of it :lol:

    You're also talking about a guy who who is a known compulsive liar and for blowing more smoke up his own ass than even you do :lol:

    And? Beterbiev is notorious for training like an absolute demon six days a week year round. He trains crazy hard and is the definition of a gym rat if ever there was one. He spent his amateur career sparring on the super tough Soviet circuit and not only sparring and fighting against the top amateurs from all over the world but many future top pros too.

    You keep trying to pretend that Roy had as much wear and tear as Beterbiev whilst ignoring that one of them has a way more aggressive style and took way more punishment.

    How many year long bouts of inactivity did Roy have due to injury from age 30-35 when he became ''shot'' overnight? How many all throughout his 30s? Were fans regularly expressing doubt before his fights whether they were going to be called off or delayed due to him being injured again?

    :lol: The irony again. Btw, Joe sends his regards


    Beterbiev a lot more

    You mean well over half the amount of amateur fights + 5O pro fights and if he wasn't involved in any wars in said 50 pro fights and he took way less punishment during his entire career amateur and pro due to fighting with a far less aggressive take one to land one style


    How would a clean Roy have looked under VADA testing?

    The official number is 300

    Again, Beterbiev had a lot more

    Rojos: No way this fighter *insert fighter's name* could've ever beaten Roy because they wouldn't have been able to catch him

    Rojos: ''Roy didn't have a weak chin here's a video of him getting hit to prove it

    I've given my prediction how I think it would play out, assuming Roy would've actually fought Beterbiev that is instead of pulling one of his ducks. And that prediction is Beterbiev would've caught up to him at some point and shattered that glass. He might have been outboxed for spells or large spells and had to come from behind but he would've caught up to him at some point
     
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  11. LenHarvey

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    Reggie johnson lmao.. Johnson had been a MW for 15 years.. lost back to back twice .. retired for two years.. came back as a LHW.. beat some scrub for a belt . fought another couple .. & then lost to roy.. all while approaching his mid 30s & having had 4 scrub fights in nearly 5 years. Give up. Johnson wasnt anything great.. & certainly not at LHW!

    Gonzalez? He lost twice to Clinton woods ffs .. he's famous cos he edged out a 35 year old faded DM. Beterbiev would kill Gonzalez. He wasn't anything special either. Some of the fighters you mentioned weren't even beaten at LHW anyway .. they have no relevance in this discussion.. but Citing McCallum is cringe.. that Jones fought him was bad enough :lol:.. McCallum was a LMW.. 40 year old & coming off a loss.. you think hed beat these guys today ? LOL... give up. Take the Rose tinted glasses off.

    & Lou Del Valle... are u serious? Del valle never beat anybody of note.. do you know who he won his WBA title from .. some danish guy called Eddie smulders :lol: .. del valles boxrec is comical.. i could go on & on..
     
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  12. LenHarvey

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    Which he wouldn't have :lol:
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

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    RJJ beat Reggie Johnson who was a champion and made 2 title defences which is more than Gvozdyk made which was a grand total of 1.

    RJJ beat Virgil Hill who is a hall of famer.

    RJJ beat Montel Griffin who was a rival.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    Based on what ?

    RJJ took on Antonio Tarver who was ranked the number 1 Light Heavyweight after fighting at Heavyweight.

    Griffin, Hill, Johnson, Del Valle, Harding, were all top 5 rated Light Heavyweights when RJJ beat them.

    RJJ haters like to discredit his resume but when I bring them the rankings of these fighters they have no rebuttal.
     
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    And yet you harp on about "Gvodzyk being a main rival" when he made a grand total of 1 title defence and his claim to fame is beating a 41 year old Stevenson and he hasn't done anything of note since.

    Johnson was a highly skillful Southpaw a 2 weight division champion and RJJ was the only one who ever beat him convincingly.

    So let me get this straight you dismiss Gonzalez's win over Michalczewski even though he was the first man to beat him in 48 fights and end his long title reign so it is a pretty significant win. Because as you put it "Michaelczewski was 35 years old and faded".

    Yet all the RJJ haters in this thread are bringing up RJJ's losses at the age of 35 and above, so by your logic shouldn't we take that into account regarding bringing up RJJ's losses when he was faded aswell ?

    Or does that logic only suit people when they want to use it ?