Comparing the resumes of Mayweather and Whitaker

It kinda makes oscar look like ****. I mean hurtado was schooling whitaker and rivera arguably beat him, yet a prime oscar couldn't run right through him. Even the 2nd rivera fight which i saw last week on espn, whitaker won by like 2 or 1 points.

If floyd mayweather is still top tier past the age of 33, he will go down as the better fighter. Whitaker was done by 32, lets see how long floyd lasts.

 

Why certain fights like the Wilfredo Rivera fight for Whitaker are ignored by those that rate Whitaker highly is beyond me.
Whitaker was lucky to get the benefit of the doubt in any round that was even semi-competitive.
I had Rivera comfortably winning that fight. Its a fight that Whitaker aficionados chose to ignore altogether.....and when they're forced to respond, do so with a predictable "it could have gone either way."
.....kinda of like what DLH fans say of his Felix Sturm embarassment.:yep



......and your thoughts of what Whitaker could have done to DLH that Mayweather did'nt do????
Think again! Lets not forget that Mayweather was forced to go all the way up to 154 lbs to fight DLH. Thats what made his victory impressive from my point of view.
.....compare that to Whitaker's try at 154 lbs, and the performances or the caliber of opposition are'nt even close at that weight.

Whitaker to me looked ordinary, sluggish, and he got rocked at least two times by JC Vasquez in a title winning effort for Whitaker that imo was alot closer than the scorecards indicated!

I dont believe that a prime Whitaker moving up to 154 lbs would have come close to doing what Floyd did to DLH there.

 

I never said that it was a clear Mayweather victory over DLH. Alot of people do consider it a clear victory.
I actually scored it a draw, but came away believing that Mayweather was the much better fighter.

DLH outweighed Mayweather by 12-15 lbs in that fight, and it was Mayweather who rocked DLH in the fight and not the other way around.

There is no question in my mind that had the fight occured at 147 or below, Mayweather imo would have won in convincing fashion. Maybe even by stoppage over any version of DLH.

A 147 lbs version of Mayweather fighting the version of DLH who fought Whitaker, coming off of fighting a past his best Chavez......
Sorry, but a 147 lbs version of Mayweather would have torn that version of DLH to shreds!

 

Hmm, well, that makes more sense, depending on your criteria.

I don't personally use H2H as a 60% factor, which it seems you do and if we were doing H2H as the sole factor, Mayweather is a lock for top 15 and Jones and Pea top 5.

Where do you rank Calzaghe?

 

I'll wait until Floyd is officially retired to compare.

 

Only difference being, NO respected writer thought DLH beat Sturm, but many felt Whitaker beat Rivera.

Saying you felt Rivera won that fight comfortably and that Whitaker was lucky to win a round hardly says much does it? I mean you had Jones-Tito a draw, felt JMM won every round against John and felt Whitaker-Chavez was a draw. You're hardly one to give the consensus view on ANY matter Vlade.

Vasquez would have manhandled a 34 year old DLH. Vasquez was no Ricardo Mayorga. He was undefeated in 50+ fights and had some good wins under his belt.

 

BTW, LMFAO@Wilfredo Vasquez.

 

At least you guys replied, I didn't even want to bother.

I'm so sick of Floyd being treated as something he's not, just because a couple of fools who have never seen a real defensive genius are blown away by defeating the likes of a past it DLH and a blown up Ricky Hatton.

 

I corrected that before you even posted! lol

 

We'll never know the % of writers that would have had who winning in a non-internet age.Everything now is maganified, and we can read articles from all over the world. The srutiny now over bad decisions are magnified because of the internet age, and chat rooms like these where people voice there opinions.I doubt seriously that had Whitaker-Rivera occured in this day in age, we would have seen many writers with the audacity to have risen there head and say they felt Whitaker won such a bout.
btw scientist, you insinuate that my opinion should be discarded because of my opinions on the fights you named..........name me some respected journalist who had DLH beating Mayweather???

 

Who here besides Scientist believes JC Vasquez was a better 154 pounder than DLH?I think I'll post that question up in the classic section!

 

The point was that a prime Vasquez was better than a past it, inactive DLH.

DLH looked like garbage(sloppy) against Floyd and Floyd looked unimpressive against him. It wasn't just because of Floyd either, he had very little sharpness to any of his work and his feet were flat, just like he was against Mayorga for the majority of their fight, allowing Mayorga even to get some work in.

 

Who the hell does'nt look sloppy against Mayweather?Hatton was razor sharp vs Castillo, and looked sluggish vs Mayweather.I think that the common denominator is that its Mayweather who is making these fighters look like crap!

 

Then why did DLH look sloppy against Mayorga?

And do you really think Hatton is a fighter that's even worth mentioning as a great win? The guy is extremely overrated and was well managed and at a weight where he was proven to be ineffective.

 

I dont think DLH looked sloppy vs Mayorga.You look at the way DLH went about fighting Mayorga.......DLH was in there to seek a KO from the very first round. He was'nt there to box, he was there to shut Mayorga's mouth and beat him at his own game, which he did.Anytime you attack like DLH did vs Mayorga, you're going to get hit a few more times than had you chose to box safely.The Mayorga win for me was potent an conclusive. A dominant victory over a fighter who I would classify just below the ranks of a tough but limited JC Vazquez!.....and I do think highly of Hatton. In my view Hatton was and may still be a top 10 p4p as we speak.A loss over the best fighter of this era is not going to deter my opinion of that!