Comparing Tyson and Lewis' competition

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :rasta Most people these days see Tyson for the fighter he was once he was released from prision. His timing never came back and with exception to a brief stint with Tommy Brooks, he never had the proper guidance to bring him back to fighting form. People forgot the terror he was in the 80's mowing down fighter after fighter. Boxers, sluggers, didnt matter, Tyson tore through all of them. He faced former greats like Mike Spinks and Larry Holmes and destroyed them quite easily. Say what you will about Holmes, but he went on to have some pretty decent fights, and was never blown out like he was against Tyson.
    The importance of Kevin Rooney in his career can only be compared to the importance of Emanuel Steward in Lennox Lewis' career. The proof is in their records and cosistency under each trainer. Tyson was undefeated and disciplined and fought a style that Rooney developed specifically for Tyson complimenting the Cus D'amto style. Steward also developed a style for Lewis which took away some of his vulnerabilities, he showed in fight with guys like Bruno and Mcall.
    Its hard for me to imagine how some people consider Lewis the more accomplished fighter? Sure his reign was longer, but the amount of fights are about equal and the competition is really not comparable. With exception to Evander Holyfield, the post prision Tyson had his way just as easily with the fighters Lewis cemented his legacy with. Throw out David Tua, and its hard to imagine the shell of Tyson in the mid 90's having any problems with anyone Lewis faced.
    Tyson was the youngest heavyweight champion and the last to unify it separately, topping it off with a blowout of the so called linear champion. The fighters are much physically bigger now, but they are technically far inferior to the group of the 80's.
     
  2. van the man

    van the man Active Member Full Member

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    spot on m8:good in my opinion tyson was on of a kind in his prime, and on of the most exiting boxers i have ever seen. lewis had his greatness and he was a great champ, but he never went to the same level as mike.
     
  3. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Is this a joke ???


    Lewis fought anyone worth mentioniong in the HW division w/the exception of Riddick Bowe ..

    With Tyson The minute he fought a fighter that could weather his storm he had trouble with !Lewis dominated pretty much everyone put in fron of him and fought the better comp !Tyson may have been a wrecking machine but if he had fought Holyfeild before Douglas that train would have came to hault allot sooner !
     
  4. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    :good He was the definition of an 'on top fighter'...everytime he got asked decent questions by an opponent, he got KO'd.
     
  5. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    :lol: You got that right !!
     
  6. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Good point. Lewis's opposition is constantly overrated. The only great fighters he ever faced, Holyfield and Tyson himself, were years past their primes when Lewis faced them. And, for the most part, he didn't completely blow out his opponents the way Tyson did.
     
  7. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Thats a styles thing though....
     
  8. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Your right he never blew out the likes of Marvis Fraiser ,Buster Mathis Jr .,The almight Bruce Seldon ,Way past his prime Larry Holmes ..Your right LL only fought 2 good fighters in Tyson and Holy never did he take on signifigant challenges like Tyson did as some of the opponents listed above ..:patsch
     
  9. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    You make some good points, but I think Lennox Lewis is the greater fighter
     
  10. Musashi

    Musashi Member Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis's most significant wins -
    TKO2 Donovan Ruddock, UD12 Tony Tucker, TKO7 Frank Bruno, TKO6 Tommy Morrison, MD12 Ray Mercer, TKO5 Oliver McCall, DQ5 Henry Akinwande, KO1 Andrew Golota, TKO5 Shannon Briggs, D12 and UD12 Evander Holyfield, KO2 Michael Grant, UD12 David Tua, KO4 Hasim Rahman, KO8 Mike Tyson, TKO6 Vitali Klitschko

    I think that compares pretty favorably to Mike's resume.
     
  11. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Does anyone actually look at Tyson's wins before they make these threads? Who is the biggest win? A retired Holmes? Razor? A semi retired light heavyweight?

    And Evander? Please...better than Mike's but his resume is not better than Lewis if you actually look at Holy's losses...
     
  12. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usual Zakman rhetoric and agenda. I am sorry, but Holy got owned by Lennox, Bowe, and split with Moorer. Deal with it...
     
  13. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Let's compare them...

    MIKE TYSON
    50 WINS, 6 LOSSES, 44 KNOCKOUTS
    • Larry Holmes
      Michael Spinks
      Razor Ruddock (2)
      Pinklon Thomas
      Tony Tucker
      Trevor Berbick
      Frank Bruno (2)
      Tony Tubbs
      Bonecrusher Smith
      Tyrell Biggs
      Carl Williams
      Francois Botha
      Brian Nielsen
      Buster Mathis, Jr.
      Bruce Seldon
      Quick Tillis
      Marvis Frazier
      Mitch Green
    WBC Heavyweight Champion
    WBA Heavyweight Champion
    IBF Heavyweight Champion
    10 Total Title Defenses
    Champion from 1986-1990, 1996
    Defeated 9 World Champions
    Defeated 2* Hall of Famers (Holmes in future)


    LENNOX LEWIS
    41 WINS, 2 LOSSES, 32 KNOCKOUTS
    • Evander Holyfield
      Mike Tyson
      Vitali Klitschko
      David Tua
      Tommy Morrison
      Ray Mercer
      Oliver McCall
      Razor Ruddock
      Hasim Rahman
      Shannon Briggs
      Andrew Golota
      Henry Akinwande
      Tony Tucker
      Michael Grant
      Francois Botha
      Zeljko Mavrovic
      Gary Mason
      Ossie Ocasio
      Mike Weaver
    WBC Heavyweight Champion
    WBA Heavyweight Champion
    WBO Heavyweight Champion
    IBF Heavyweight Champion
    12 Total Title Defenses
    Champion from 1993-1994, 1997-2001, 2001-2004
    Defeated 12 World Champions
    Defeated 2* Hall of Famers (Tyson and Holyfield in future)


    Going by that, I would say that Lennox Lewis has the better resume. Both have defeated 2 hall of famers - and for each man, the hall of famers they defeated were past their primes. Additionally, Lewis beat more champions and defeated every man he stepped in the ring with. He has won all 4 alphabet soup belts and his total years as a champion exceeds Tyson's. Lewis nor Tyson could come back to win a fight after being knocked down to the canvass, but with Tyson, he never avenged a defeat. When Lewis was knocked down (and out), he came back on both occasions to earn TKO wins (I know he didn't really TKO McCall, but he still beat him). Mike was great - there is NO denying that, but everything analyzed and taken into consideration, Lewis should go down as the greater fighter.
     
  14. 2smart4u

    2smart4u Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :patsch LL and by a wide margin ! Only ALI could argue a better one !:deal
     
  15. Blacc Jesus

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    Agreed.