Comparing Tyson's Chin To Marciano's - Sacriledge?

tyson's chin was more battle tested than marciano's.

 

Tyson ate much harder shots overall than Marciano did. Marciano ain't gonna remain upright or finish on his feet if he too took shots from "Douglas, Holy and Lewis" in a time machine.....

MR.BILL

 

yeah he would.
then again, he wouldn't be put in that situation anyways.

 

And how would you know that? When have you ever seen Marciano badly hurt on film?

 

Interesting and very good thread Russell....I actually don't agree that Marciano has an equal chin to tyson(I personally think tyson is more battle tested), but I will go on the record as saying if Marciano was as battle tested as Tyson, he may have been able to take the same shots tyson did. Like Tyson, Marciano is short and stocky with a thick neck. I tend to think those types take punches better than tall goosneck fighters. Charlie Goldman once said "Marciano had a steel chin"..and I partly believe it. Moore and Walcott nailed rocky with their sunday punches(which would have knocked any other fighter in the world out cold) and Rocky was up at 2 angry at himself for going down. He also took a couple powerful left hooks off of Joe Louis, who outweighed him by a substantial margin. Rex Layne's right hand had no effect on Marciano. These men were not Ruddocks, Bonecrushers, or Lewis's, but these men all could hit hard and outside of layne were sniper like accurate with their shots.

It's interesting how you bring heart into play...I personally feel Marcianos toughness is so extreme he would get up from every knockdown no matter how badly he was buzzed. The man had no quit in him. Then again, neither did Tyson...who made an attempt to get up from every knockdown ever suffered. Also if we take into account with modern benefits, Rocky would scale around 205lb of ripped muscle today, this extra weight might further pad his chin.


Interesting thread...let's see where it goes

 

:nono

Aside from a 137 year old Louis, none of Marciano's victims hit as hard as "Douglas, Holy and Lewis.......

I'm sorry, but 194 pound Walcott and 188 pound Moore couldn't bang punch per punch as hard as the monsters listed above that stopped Tyson.....

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Tyson has the better chin, but Marciano is more willing to go through a battering. Therefore, you could differentiate with Tyson being able to take a power shot better, but both of them are more comparable in terms of durability... in terms of taking a sustained attack. That's the best way to break it down in my opinion.

 

dude, Douglas and Holyfield don't even hit that hard for heavyweight standards. Douglas was just punching Tyson a LOT.... that's how he came up with the knockout.
and holyfield pretty much only knocked down Tyson because Tyson was luanging in with no balence. he stopped Tyson because Tyson was looking to quit and was exhausted.
Walcott could bang at heavyweight. I say he hits harder then Holyfield.

 

Bum

 

Bonecrusher and Ruddock were huge huge punchers. Holyfield and Douglas were not.

 

yeah, they were. I still think Marciano might be on his feet by the end of the fight though. Those two, (bonecrusher and rudduck), could certainly bang harder then anyone Marciano faced BESIDES maybe Joe Louis.
I think Marciano would still beat bonecrusher and rudduck, because he would take it, and then come back with more punches. they would eventually fold, Marciano wouldn't.

 

According to the Ring Magazine in 1951, Keene Simmons nearly knocked him out in the fifth round of their fight. Rocky was stunned and staggering around the ring. Simmons wasn't known for his power, as he only had 4 KO's in his entire career.

Here's one of the articles:

Thought to be way over his head against Rocky Marciano in Providence, R.I., Simmons almost put over the upset of the year by pounding Marciano close to a knockout in the fifth round of their bloody and furious battle. The referee halted the fight with only 6 seconds remaining in the eighth round although Keene was still on his feet and many thought he could easily go the route.

 

I think Douglas is an underrated puncher. I think he hit harder than both Ali and Holmes.

McCall said he was the biggest puncher he faced... believe it or not. That has to mean something. I agree with you on Holyfield, though.