Comparing Tyson's Chin To Marciano's - Sacriledge?

that's called bs. lewis clearly hit harder.

 

How can you almost KO someone if you didn't even knock them down. If it's one thing I've learned from reading The Rock of His Time by Russel Sullivan it's that the writers from the 30's, 40's, and continued on to the 50's tended to hyperbolize things. It was almost a style of writing to glorify and exaggerate such events.

 

I'm not saying he did. Maybe Douglas hit him harder... I just don't see why he would lie. What's his motive. I think Douglas just hit harder than most think. I think his power is underrated.

 

Actually I talked to several people that were their that night and they said the same thing. Simmons was from Bayonne, New Jersey, so a lot of fight fans from their went up to Providence, Rhode Island that night.

 

Douglas could certainly hit. No doubt about that. Douglas might be the most talented superheavyweight of all time. The experts of the day vastly underrated this guy. He looked great in a few of his performances prior to fighting tyson...why the press didn't pick up on this I will never know. Douglas had more power in his jab alone than many heavyweights have in their sunday punch.

 

I'll say this Henry...

I have never seen Marciano badly staggered/rubbery legged on film...and he faced numerous hall of fame fighters.


Keene Simmons is perhaps the worst fighter I have ever seen on film...the ultimate gooftrooper. He couldn't knockout his sister, let alone Marciano.

 

People said the same thing about Dempsey vs Carpentier in round 2, or the writers of the day. But the film shows that Carpentier stun Dempsey, and was no were close in knocking Dempsey out.

 

Funny how these Lowry, Simmons "marciano almost knocked out" stories get sensationalized by the newspapers...then when we watch Marciano on film vs hall of famers Louis, Charles, Walcott, Moore along with Layne, Matthews, Savold, Lastarza..and we don't see any signs of Marciano coming close to being knocked out.

Talk about journalism hyperboles and sensationalism at its finest.

 

Carpentier def had dempsey on rubber legs for 1 sec...but after that Dempseys head cleared and he was fine. He was not close to being knocked out.

 

Anyone ever listen to the radio broadcast of Marciano-Charles I? If we didn't have any film to realize the truth of it, we would be led to believe that Charles badly staggered Marciano with a counter right hand in round 4 and had him glassy eyes, rubber legged, and holding on for dear life.

Amazing how much things become exagerrated from the truth.

 

That doesn't mean that it didn't happen. I am going by what was written and also eye witnesses. He just might have caught Rocky with the best punch he ever threw and Rocky might have not seen the punch coming. It has happened before.

 

Yeah he put Dempsey on rubber legs, but the writers after the fight were pretty much make one belive Dempsey was close to being knockout.

There was a speech one had I read LONG ago. Ring I belive, from the 1930's said something like

It was not the defeat that hurt Carpentier, but almost winning and than getting beating. I am way off on the quote, but it was something about almost winning is worse than being defeated.

But Carpentier was not even close in winning that fight lol.

 

Might as well compare wet toilet paper to Concrete Wall

 

That's the word I was looking for. It was a sensationalist style. Started to be trendy by the late 30's and 40's. It stuck in the 50's.

 

I have seen that bout many times. I helped run the 75th and 85th anniversary's of that bout in Jersey City and I was the main speaker at both.

Carpentier landed a pretty good right hand and the crowd went while as at that time, he was much more popular then Dempsey. Jack recovered within a few seconds and took charge once again.

When they had the unveiling of the "Rocky Marciano Stamp" at the Rocky Marciano Gym, in Jersey City, where I was the MC, I met Simmons and a lot of others that were at that bout. They all said that Simmons caught Rocky and had him hurt. Rocky's brother Lou was right their and he didn't dispute it.