Comparing Tysons performance in Bruno 1 vs the Ruddock fights. Tyson was not declining

Except when he was terrible for Rahman 1 which is well documented. They almost all grow complacent at some point, sometimes they get away with it other times not. Apart from that he was solid for sure.

Edit - and Vitali. So we've got a couple there.

 

Lewis was not exactly partying for Rahman, he was busy with the Ocean's 11 filming and also being over confident against Rahman but if he had a good chin, he would have gotten away with it as most fighters do but Lenni didn't because of his chin.

 

He was already gassing and struggling for air. Altitude came into it as well and it's proven via dates he didn't get over there early enough. Adjusting for this makes a massive difference. He may have been worn down even with a granite chin. He may have been outhustled. The fact is he lost and came back to obliterate him. He lost two fights in his entire career and avenged both. He loses points for losing in the first place and gains some (not all obviously) for avenging.

 

When you lose to a crap fighter that you shouldn't have lost to in the first place, it puts a severe dent in your legacy and rematching and beating that crap opponent up doesn't change it. Lewis still behaves like a sore looser when he mocks and insults Rahman in his various interviews to this date unable to deal with that Rahman starched him like that. Even Tyson was gasping for air in Tokyo and Memphis but took a very long time to put away. Holyfield has been gasping for air in many of his encounters and has hardly ever been knocked out so early in his fight. Altitude doesn't make sense

Tyson even if he had gotten the Douglas rematch and beat him up would still be criticized for what happened in Tokyo.

 

Tyson was in decline as soon as he got rid of Rooney just before the Bruno fight.

 

Altitude is well documented and beyond dispute. There was bad blood between Lewis and Rahman and i couldn't care less what they say about each other. Lewis gets on great with Vitali and Holyfield.

At least Lewis came back and righted his wrong. Tyson was totally schooled and battered at the supposed peak of his powers by a guy he never proved he could beat. Excepting the knockdown Douglas won virtually every minute of every round. It was a shellacking.

 

So Tyson's issues before the Douglas fight were not well documented and beyond dispute? I think when you keep going on and on about a guy who starched you in humiliating fashion with one shot to the face, it shows you are a poor sport i.e. Lewis.

Tyson does not talk smack about Douglas to this day and humbly accepts defeat to the better man on the night without mocking or disrespecting Douglas. Tyson doesn't need to prove anything vis a vis Douglas, Tyson fought better fighters than Douglas in his prime i.e. Thomas, Tucker and Douglas did not want the rematch with Tyson for a good reason. Tyson showed a lot of heart and courage in his beat downs where he took on average 200 jabs, punches to the face before going down unlike Lewis who was starched like a girl who has never ever been in a street fight before in his life.

 

Why is it so important to you to criticise Lewis?

So Lewis is a poor sport and arrogant? Well guess what? Tyson is a convicted ******. He bashed women. God knows what else he did. Monzon killed his wife. Many other boxers have belted their women.

If the worst he is is a poor sport then all power to the guy. Larry Holmes was often a poor sport but he was well behaved and very respectable in other area's. It's all good.

Well all that makes Tyson being a convicted ****** all fine then. It makes it ok that he belted women then paid them off to stay out of trouble. One could go on and on. All good tho because he accepted his defeat like a man.

Thomas and Tucker did not fight as well as Douglas that night. Tyson would have beat them in Tokyo. Douglas put it together and reached a level above them. Beating Thomas and Tucker does nothing to eclipse this.

 

If you read what i posted yes they were well documented which i openly stated.

 

There is a documentary out there which explains the trial and the **** conviction was a sham and not credible. Tyson has demanded a retrial but the so called victim is not interested.

Tyson was well prepared for Thomas and Tucker and they too would have smashed Tyson in Tokyo. Heck Trever Berbick who was one of Tyson's sparring partners in Tokyo had also dropped Tyson, that's how bad he was at that time. Thomas and Tucker were better fighters than Douglas.

 

Ah of course, he wasn't guilty LOLOL

Sure thing.

Thomas and Tucker would have smashed him in Tokyo, sure they would have. Ribalta too, and Holmes.

Thomas and Tucker on the whole were better, Douglas was seldom motivated and consistent this is well documented. When he put it together however he rose above those two imo. Hell, Tyson didn't even fight the best of Thomas. If he was fighting most of his previous opponents Tyson would have rolled them in Tokyo. Douglas came in ready to rumble and was extremely talented.

You've got your Tyson facts massively wrong too. It sure wasn't Trevor Berbick who dropped him in sparring

 

I think the Dokes fight actually ruined Ruddock mentally. He fell in love with that one punch he became totally dependent on it. Tyson probably took a lot out of him physically.

 

If you were in that hotel room and saw exactly what happened b/w Tyson and Desiree Washington then please share with us

I know about Greg Paige, i came across an article dated 1990 which mentioned that Tyson was in such bad shape that even Trever Berbick was dropping him in sparring.

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-23/sports/sp-1279_1_mike-tyson

 

At the end of the day he did the time and certainly has a lot more than that behind him. As for Lewis being a sore loser, well Tyson bit a huge chunk of Holyfield's ear off in a fight not even over. Pretty sure that's a bit worse LOL

Where in that article does it say Trevor Berbick dropped him?

 

I would not doubt that at all.