Comparing Vitali, Wlad and Haye

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  1. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Power:

    Wladimir - 9/10 - He has genuinely destructive one-punch power given his size, be it the straight right hand or left-hook.
    Haye - 8.5/10 - Doesn't have as destructive power as Klitschko, but then he is smaller. Still has one-shot power to hurt the best around.
    Vitali - 6.5/10 - Doesn't hit hard at all. He never once hurt Peter despite the number of punches he landed on him, and never once hurt Arreola who has been dropped before. His punch-output causes stoppages, not his power.

    General Speed:

    Haye - 8.5/10 - Has faster feet than given credit for, and evidently fast hands.
    Wlad - 7.5/10 - Edging on an 8, is quick in terms of hand speed for his size. Not as quick on his feet.
    Vitali - 6.5/10 - Put bluntly, he isn't quick.

    Chin -

    Haye - 7/10 - His chin will never be great, but it's improving. He took a few punches yesterday and from Valuev without budging.
    Wlad - 5.5/10 - His chin is genuinely poor. I've said before it was average, but the way he was dropped by Ross Purrity has me thinking otherwise. He's been on the floor a host of times and the way he fights indicates he truly has something to hide.

    Offensive Skill:

    Haye - 8.5/10 - He has good variety in his punches and crisp accuracy, doesn't waste much.
    Wlad - 9/10 - I've given him the edge purely in terms of the fact that his offense is pratically his defense aswell, his jab is the basis of both departments.
    Vitali - 7.5/10 - Threw a lot of sloppy punches against Johnson, and output doesn't equat to skill.

    Defensive Skill:

    Wlad - 8/10 - He doesn't get hit, but that's mainly due to the fact nobody can find a way past his jab, so he doesn't get top marks here. He clinches well though and his footwork isn't bad.
    Haye - 7/10 - Good reflexes and lateral movement as showed against Valuev and at times yesterday against Ruiz, but he still got hit a bit too often yesterday.
    Vitali - 8/10 - Doesn't get hit an away lot anymore. Similar to his brother, most of this is due to size and strength on the inside. He did make Arreola miss at times though by sitting in the pocket and slipping punches.

    Mental Toughness:

    Haye - 8/10 - You can't knock Haye in this department, given he won his CW title's away from home getting up from a knockdown, won his HW title away from home aswell against a much bigger guy, and took on Enzo Maccarinelli - a big puncher if nothing else but also in his prime at that point - for little reward. Took on Thompson early and was on his feet at the end, took on Arthur Williams early aswell and has been matched hard.
    Vitali - 8/10 - Now Vitali showed great heart against Lewis, but he also has the contigency of having great punch resistance. He quit against Chris Byrd with 3 rounds to go with a similar injury to that of Mayweather vs Castillo, and even if some think he lost that, he gave it his best and went the distance.
    Wlad - 4.5/10 - I don't rate Wlad in this department at all. I rate him as a fighter, but mentally I think these stoppage losses play on his mind. He is scared of engaging in the fear of getting his china-mandible shattered all over the front row.

    Stamina:

    Haye - 7/10 - His stamina is the major worry for me. His output is very frustrating at times and I believe that's due to there still being some stamina issues.
    Wlad - 7/10 - Similar to Haye, his output is pretty poor at times, in terms of power punches anyway. Whether this is mental fragility or stamina we don't really know, but he's been shown to have stamina issues in the past.
    Vitali - 8/10 - Great stamina, but only compensated for by throwing arm punches with no power. If he was winging in power shots, he wouldn't be throwing 800 punches a fight thats for sure.

    Experience:

    Vitali - 9/10 - Not as many fights as Wlad, but in terms of combat sports as a whole - being a kicker-boxer - he has a great wealth of experience and has had plenty of world title fights.
    Wlad - 9/10 - More fights than Vitali and an Olympian to boot. Good wealth of experience, again plenty of world title fights.
    Haye - 7.5/10 - More experienced than 24 fights would indicate that's for sure, and a World Amateur medalist aswell, but still inexperienced when it comes to defending titles and not on par with the Klitschko's at this point.
     
  2. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Listing attributes individually will never do Vitali justice.

    If you break his attributes down individually, they're not outstanding - but put them all together and he's a formidable fighter.

    His biggest advantages over the other two that are two massive advantages and you can't emphasise enough are his chin and workrate.
     
  3. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    Here, I fixed that. Sdunek is pretty bad trainer.
     
  4. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime v prime...Vitali would have destroyed the other two.
     
  5. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    having no headmovement will be suicide against fast powerful fighters such as Haye, i dont care how good Vitali's chin is, Mosley vs Margo as proof, if you keep on taking heavy shots you will go down or at least get stopped
     
  6. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's a good point.
     
  7. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    nice list, nice input
     
  8. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    Not a bad analysis. It goes without saying a prime Vitali ranks higher in most of the categories than currently, but he still holds his own

    Agreed. For defense I'd have Wlad, Vitali then Haye- which isn't taking anything away from Haye, he has a very good defense and slips a lot of punches but definitely gets hit more than either of the K's. The Arreola fight was a good demonstration of Vitali keeping out of range but consistently landing punches of his own.
     
  9. martinez

    martinez Member Full Member

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    more or less agree with the list.


    Few years ago i heard rumors in net ,that Vitali was KO-d in sparring ,while preparing to fight with Hasim Rahman. I don't know is this true or not. But since then I'm always bit suspicion about Vitalis chin, which always looked a bit overrated, but it's clearly better than Haye's or Vlad's(and yes , iv seen Lewis uppercut).

    and Experience - imo Vlad has more experience by now.
     
  10. lanzelotz

    lanzelotz Member Full Member

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    Wlad´footwork is pretty good and his jab is one of the best ( when Wlad is relaxed). One major key of his defense is clinching, but that´s not really a skill, is it?

    As mentioned before Vitali is hard to hit. He moves well and leans out of the way effectively. His defense is underrated.
     
  11. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  12. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  13. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    :lol::huh
     
  14. PFG

    PFG Active Member Full Member

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    That's not really accurate at all. Vitali couldn't stop Kevin Johnson, now all of the sudden he throws arm punches. Kevin Johnson was just very elusive and durable.

    People don't throw in the towel when faced with arm punches. Vitali hit Arreola with many hard shots. Many. Arreola just took them very well. Arreola can take straights very well. Only time Arreola was KDed, was against Travis Walker, when faced with close combat, speed and punches from many angles.