Comparing Wilder and Vitali

"little weirdo" yeah I'm done with this conversation waste of time.

 

Vitali's win resume is extremely weak relative to how good he was, but:

Sam Peter, Corrie Sanders, Herbie Hide, Kirk Johnson, Vaughan Bean, Larry Donald, Odlanier Solis, Juan Carlos Gomez, Chris Arreloa, Tomasz Adamek, Orlin Norris and Derrick Chisora; is vastly superior to:

Luis Ortiz x 2 (aged 39 and 40), Bermane Stiverne x 2, Artur Spilzka, Dominic Breazale, Johann Duhaupas, Malik Scott, Eric Molina, Gerald Washington, Serhei Liakhovic and Audley Harrison.

Vitali's 12th best win is arguably better than Wilder's 4th, as Stiverne was shot by the time of the rematch.

That vastly superior win resume is before you consider Vitali was generally more dominant in his wins and more competitive in his losses, with those losses being less in quantity and coming against better fighters than than beat Wilder.

 

No you just struggle with reading comprehension and don't understand basic logic. And you keep repeating same stuff dismissing facts and statistics like its groundhog day, and don't want to have a proper conversation on a topic you made I think that's the definition of "weirdo".

But I'm tired of reading this childish nonsense so you're blocked bye have a good day.

 

Really? It's all about opinions I guess, but, admittedly with very little thought or analysis, I'd say Chisora is Vitali's 12th best win and Spilzka is Wilder's 5th. There or thereabouts. Chisora hammered Spilzka and has clearly had the better career.

You may order their respective best wins differently to me, but if you're truly interested in how they compare, may I suggest you list their best 12 to 15 wins, in order, and see how they compare? E.g. who had the superior 3rd best win, the best 7th "greatest" win, etc. Imo, Vitali isn't just ahead, he is way ahead.

I agree Vitali's win resume is terribly weak relative to how good he was, but it's substantially better than Wilder's, imo.

Again, that's before you consider he was generally more dominant in his wins and did better in his (fewer) losses.

Compare 42 year old Vitali vs Peter after 4 years of inactivity with 38 year old Wilder vs Parker after 1 year of inactivity.

I'm sorry, not only did Vitali have a better career than Wilder, there's clear daylight between them.

 

Draw with Fury that easily could've been called a kncokout win. No discussion is even close to complete without it.

 

Not sure if you're being facetious, but I always had a problem with that knockdown. How many, less glamorous boxers woud have gotten the full 9 yard treatment that Fury received? He was out.

 

If only Wilder had luck and managed to land one thunderous RH on Vitalis skull, he'd get up better than Ruiz v Joshua and would tear Wilders body and soul apart.

Wilder is washed up and against the strongest fighters hes showing to have no game plans. Facts.

 

Agreed and I've done something similiar before when comparing fighters win resumes for ranking purposes.

Best 25 wins, with the best getting 25 points and the 25th getting a point. Quality of opponent beaten is the most important criteria, though dominance of win is also taken into account. For me, with very little thought, it looks something like:

Peter - 25
Sanders - 24
Ortiz 1 - 23
Ortiz 2 - 22
Stiverne - 21
Hide - 20
K Johnson - 19
Solis - 18
Donald - 17
Gomez - 16
Bean - 15
Arreola - 14
Stiverne 2 - 13
Adamek - 12
Norris - 11
Chisora - 10
Spilzka - 9
Breazele - 8
Scott - 7
Duhaupas - 6
Williams - 5
Hoffman - 4
Washington - 3
Molina - 2
Charr - 1

Vitali = 218; Wilder = 105

You can disagree with individual placings, I've no real interest in splitting hairs or a granular discussion on whether, for example, Tino Hoffman is a better win than Gerarld Washimgton, this is nothing more than a non-scientific analysis to provide an indication as to how their respective win resumes compare.

The above notwithstanding, if your list has Wilder ahead, or even only narrowly behind, I'd be both amazed and interested in seeing it.

As for the HoF, I have neither any knowledge of it or any interest in it, so I'm not qualified to offer an opinion as to the relative merits of either fighters inclusion. What I am confident in, is that not only should Vitali rank ahead of Wilder, but that there is clear and substantial daylight between them.

Both boxers win resumes are a considerable underachievement based on how good I think they were.

 

1. A draw in a fight the vast majority scored to the opponent, doesn't factor in to a comparison of win resumes.

2. If you want to add the context of "what ifs", then what if Vitali didn't injure his shoulder vs Byrd or get cut vs Lennox?

Vitali did injure his shoulder vs Byrd, did suffer horrendous cuts vs Lewis and a Fury who had recently lost 150lbs following a 3-year drink and drugs bender, did get up before the referee counted to 10.

Applying thorough analysis to rank fighters can be a time consuming business as it is, without opening the Pandora's box of factoring in an infinite number of potential permutations by considering "what ifs". I prefer to focus solely on what actually happened.

If you want to appraise Wilder's career on the basis that he won Fury 1 by KO, then that is your prerogative, I have neither the inclination nor the capacity to stop you. For me, it's a draw the vast majority, including myself, scored to severely diminished Fury.