Compelling Evidence (MMW is a ****in cheater)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Tyson 2005, Apr 14, 2008.


  1. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    "no...no punching him ok":nono
     
  2. Tyson 2005

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    You know what, **** all of you that think that this thread is BS. I know Hatton lost, whatever, It happened ok. I honestly don't even care THAT much, I just thought it was an interesting pair of videos that expose how MMW got the win. Its just a way to point out that Mayweather needed to use dirty tactics to help with the win. I'm not saying that he won purely on dirty moves, but it certainly turned the tables. And Cortez is a pretty ****in bad ref, letting Mayweather practically get on his knees to hit Hatton's body. And Cortez saying "Don't hit him on the way down".

    Get the **** out of here man!

    I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist or something, but I just thought the videos would show the almost unseen aspect of how Mayweather accomplished the win.

    Thank you.
     
  3. sambob

    sambob Active Member Full Member

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    I'll comment. That video is completely full of ****. It shows things out of context, it labels things wrongly, it only focuses on things that the author of the video perceives is being done by MAYWEATHER and not by Hatton, etc etc. Its a complete joke.

    The video loves saying that Floyd never got warned for the things he was doing, however thats just not true, Floyd was warned very often.

    The video labels Floyd having his gloves up when Hatton tries to maul him (which is one of Hatton's total of THREE offensive moves he has in his arsenal, he's VERY limited even when he's fighting dirty) as Floyd using his elbows. Floyd did not use his elbows to bother Hatton, however Hatton simply does not know how to clinch, and does not know how to fight on the inside. He does NOT KNOW WHERE TO PUT HIS HEAD SO THAT HE IS FREE TO THROW PUNCHES ON THE INSIDE. In all of his fights he doesn't know where to position himself to fight on the inside, he's a TERRIBLE inside fighter but he tries to get on the inside constantly. This is why he constantly had a forearm or elbow in his face.

    Hatton comes in just WAY too fast to be able to do anything useful. If you watch his feet he literally RUNS into Floyd several times throughout the fight.

    All that video did for me was show me even in more detail how BAD Hatton is. The only reason he didn't get starched in the first 3 rounds is because stylistically, he comes in so fast that it takes a while to get used to it and land cleanly on him. Once Floyd adjusted to this, and had time to break him down some, he took him out EASILY.

    Hatton's head movement is such a joke.
     
  4. ROUND1

    ROUND1 My style is Impetuous! Full Member

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    noone used to get as low as pernell whitaker ....does that make him a cheat too???
     
  5. Johnnyblaze

    Johnnyblaze Active Member Full Member

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    how about you make a video of how when Floyd would roll away from punches, Hatton would hold his head down with the left and hit him in the back of the head with the right? or when he would hold the ropes with his his left hand and punch with the right. there is no rule against ducking punches, dog. Hatton was rushing in and when floyd ducked under his punches Hatton would end up on top of him not allowing him to raise back up. then he would hit him. if hatton would feint and then punch, he would have gotten some shots in, but he's so one-dimindional that he would crowd and put himself in a bad position to punch leaving him on top of Floyd and force the ref to break them. as far as the "getting on his knees to hit to the body", so it's illegal for a fighter to throw a jab to the body now? that's how you're supposed to throw a jab to the body!! you don't do it standing straight up!!! you crouch down a bit and throw it straight. that's not illegal.

    floyd did indeed use some elbows, but because Hatton was so close up on him, it would block cortez's view of the elbow (a move Bernard Hopkins uses a lot). And I did hear cortez warn Floyd on numerous occasions about the elbow. Overall Floyd's fouls were on the inside, Hatton's fouls were blantant and in plain view. Floyd used Hatton's aggressiveness against him and he also used Cortez by forcing Hatton in a bad position and making him break the fighters, once again proving his ring smarts!!!!!;)
     
  6. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is nothing interesting about that video. and if you didn't care you wouldn't of been concerned with it. you would of seen ity for what it was BULL****. dont go discrediting Joe Cortez for Hattons loss!
     
  7. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Crucial difference here; what Whitaker often did was deep knee squats while facing the other guy, swaying his torso back and forth to present a difficult target. Mayweather (in the Hatton fight, anyway) got the 'present a difficult target' part down, but the way he bent over was completely different -- he would almost completely turn away from Hatton and bend in a straight line at the waist, which meant that Hatton couldn't actually hit him when he did that, because he would be called on it for hitting to the back or the back of the head. I suppose he could have drilled in body shots, but I doubt there was an opening for that due to Mayweather keeping his arms close to his body.
     
  8. Johnnyblaze

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    true, but the story was what Hatton did when he did that. did you notice how he rushed in and would immediately grab floyd? if he would have hesitated, he could have caught Floyd as he came up. or at least got him on the arms!!!!
     
  9. Tyson 2005

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    I still think that Cortez was/is a shitty ref, and I still think that MMW is a cheater, non the less, he won, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I'm not going to change my opinion because I like what I see here in the video. No doubt MMW is a great boxer, he has shown it throughout his career (duh), but I still think he cheated to win this fight, and theres nothing that can change my mind.
     
  10. Johnnyblaze

    Johnnyblaze Active Member Full Member

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    that's the problem.
     
  11. Tyson 2005

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    It's a problem to have an opinion?
     
  12. Johnnyblaze

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    the problem is that your opinion is so biased against floyd and there is nothing that is going to change your mind. it just gets under my skin when some people develop a negative opinion about a fighter, nothing will change their mind. i'm completely computer illiterate, but if i knew how, i would make a video about any fight or fighter just like that and prove that they were cheaters (ie. holyfields headbutting, ruiz's holding, hopkins numerous fouls, cotto/trinidads low blows, etc). it was biased and overall bull**** excuses and a poor attempt at discrediting floyd for his victory. does he have to fight cotto, margarito, williams, clottey, berto, quintana, oscar and hatton again, and whoever else comes up along the way to get some respect??? when it's all said and done the history books will name him among the greats and no amount of hate from people like you will change it. i'm not a nuthugger or anything like that, but i do recognize a great fighter when i see one.
     
  13. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I may not agree with it but I have no problem respecting that kind of opinion......:good
     
  14. Tyson 2005

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    Thats where you're wrong, I put Floyd in my top 50, if I had a top 50. I enjoy his matches, but the fact of the matter is that in this particular fight I think he cheated a ridiculous amount of times that it should be brought up, just for some good, clean speculation. To be honest I don't like Floyd as a person, but as a boxer I like him, his skill is amazing and Its fun to watch him in the ring. Just pointing that out so you don't think I'm a hater, because I'm not, and I won't take anything away from him except this fight.