Completely swap the era's of young and byrd; how successful would they be?

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  1. The Mongoose

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    I was saying you could probably stretch Young's relevance as a contender to 3 years at best: Shavers II-Norton.

    Byrd's 2000-2004 is still a solid 4 years. Stretching you could argue 98-2006.

    Going by Ring, Young was top 10 75-78.

    Byrd was top 10 98-2006 (save 99)

    No matter how you cut it, Byrd fought at a higher level for much much longer.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    So you agree with me as to when his prime years were?

    When do you think chris's prime years were?
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    Young was a Ring top 10 fighter 75-78.

    Byrd was a Ring top 10 fighter 98-2006.

    Regardless of how one defines prime, that fact is very telling as to who had the more longetivity as a fighter.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    I know when he was ranked. I'm asking when you thought his prime was.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    I think those were his prime years.

    I feel the Tua fight is the apex of this time line with slight variables inbetween. He got humbled by the Ike loss of course but was already an excellent fighter. I don't think he fell off the wagon completely until after the second Wlad loss. Povetkin is the first time he really didnt look himself.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    In contrast to Young, this was a fighter who went from nothing special to really good only to nose dive.

    Byrd was good, got better, aged but stayed good, than nose dived.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    I think he was good before ike, got a lot better after ike with his best performances coming against vitali, tua and holyfield. By golota he was past his peak certainly but i'm not sure if i'd call him prime or not.

    When young lost to norton if absolutely nose dived and accepted his role as an opponent, not as a winner.
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    To be fair that may have also been the very best and most confident Golota performance I've seen and Oquendo's style was just an awful match up for Byrd. So I'm not completey sure there is a significant variance in Byrd from 2000-2006 beyond just his style not working as well against others and other isolated factors. Perhaps losing some speed but still generally remaining much quicker than his opponents.

    But yeah, completely fair assemesent there.
     
  9. Stevie G

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    Two fighters about as similar as you can get. Each could do what the other could. The way I see it though,is that Jimmy could do everything just that little bit better than Chris could. I doubt whether Chris would have beaten the '77 George Foreman.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    These comments are most interesting.

    Is this just a stigma road block people have trouble finding their way around? They are as similar as you can get until the name Foreman gets mentioned.

    At the time, people had trouble accepting Young had a shot against Foreman too until it happened before their eyes.
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good point,but I was talking in a retrospective sense.
     
  12. Conn

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    I'm sure they could both stink out each other's eras just as much as they did in their own.
     
  13. Stevie G

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    Young's era was stronger on competition though.
     
  14. The Mongoose

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    Here's the ranked fighters they actually fought in this time:

    Earne Shaversx2
    Ron Lyle
    George Foreman
    sliding Ali
    Ken Norton
    Ossie Ocasio
    Gerry Cooney
    Micahel Dokes

    Ibeabuchi
    Vitali Klitschko
    Wladimir Klitschkox2
    David Tua
    sliding Holyfield
    Fres Oquendo
    Andrew Golota
    Alexander Povetkin

    Looks comparable to me...if not a slight nudge to Byrd.

    Heck, Byrd was beating solid fringe guys like Jimmy Thunder while Young was losing to fighters like Roy Williams and Randy Neumann.
     
  15. Foreman Hook

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    Fixed. :thumbsup