Compubox stats are not accurate... They are an opinion not facts.

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  1. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    "It's just a guy sitting ringside who is pressing buttons like he is playing Nintendo"

    "they don't know what it landing and what is not, it is all in interpretation, a lot of the time you have two guys punching at the same time, sometimes punches are partially landing, sometimes a shot may land but may have been blocked, it's just way too much open to interpretation, they are not facts. I don't know what it is with America's obsession with statistics, they can't watch a sport without obsessing over statistics, it's like they don't understand the sport, I don't like that, especially with combat sports where it is such a cloudy hazy area".

    Not my words, but the words of Paulie Malignaggi. Difficult to argue with that really, I been saying it for years, these stats you get fed are BS.

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  2. Phelps-Brady

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  3. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    Not that I know of. Can you expand?
     
  4. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    He's an alt. Put him on ignore.
     
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  5. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    And I've been saying this too. For those that cite the stats like it's the holy grail. It's more meaningful in other sports like the NBA or NFL where they replay and actually correct stats. You can get meaningful data but in boxing it is wrong. Not in theory but in execution.
     
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  6. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I mean some sports it is easier to be accurate than others, like soccer, it is fairly straight forward to collect successful passing percentages for instance, but even then they don't tell you the full story, like how difficult the pass was, how much pressure they were under etc.

    Boxing, I don't know how you can try and collect "black and white" stats like they do and pass them off as fact, I understand why they do it for the viewer at home, because you kinda get a framing effect on TV, but they should be taken with a massive pinch of salt.
     
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  7. Phelps-Brady

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    Oh yes I can.. ;)
     
  8. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the McGregor fight, there is no way he landed 111 punches. Maybe they counted those hammer fists? I saw a complete and total domination by Mayweather, totally unconcerned with what McGregor was firing back.

    It was the most embarrassing way for McGregor to lose, but he has nothing but excuses. Personally, I think it was set up to get him a gentle ref and allow him to think that he can still box at the top level. That way, he'll be reckless enough to challenge the winner of GGG vs Canelo, demand Steve Smoger as the ref, and then have to get helicoptered out of the stadium after the fight.

    The thing is, it will be a huge boost to boxing's ratings when its top guy doesn't just get stalked in beat down, by a small 40 year old man, that isn't a puncher (in boxing), but instead, he gets completely annihilated, with a look of horror on his face, against GGG or Canelo.

    That's why I don't mind MMA fans saying McGregor did well because it's a trap. They're going to instill false confidence in their guy, which is going to provoke him into doing something very stupid.
     
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  9. JeremyCorbyn

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    Yeah I mean it is just common sense. There is no way anyone would be able to find 111 shots landed by Conor in that fight, least of all compubox. If their stats are so accurate as they claim, then show us a video the next day, at least show us you are in the right ballpark area. Of course they will never be able to do so.
     
  10. Braindamage

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    The accuracy is off because the compubox counters count in real time, whereas an guy like you has the advantage of replay and slow motion. Too easy to critisize, but in reality, you or me could not do any better.
     
  11. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. I don't know how people are giving McGregor more than one round in that fight either. I suppose you could give him the first since Mayweather was just showing him that he could fight him off the back foot before walking him down. Also, Mayweather taking McGregor's best shot in the first round, was a way of emasculating McGregor.
     
  12. JeremyCorbyn

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    Yeah I totally understand that, no one could be 100% accurate, but I think I could actually do a better job than them if I was ringside, I'd only count the shots that have cleanly got through, and if that means I've only seen 3 shots landed by the end of the round, then I'll present it as 3 shots that have landed by the end of the round.

    I'd also put big asterisks next to the stats, to draw attention to the fact these aren't facts, just some idiot's ringside opinion.
     
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  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    They are as accurate as the judges. They are not definitive, but they are one more tool to help assess what went on, and disregarding them entirely is foolish.
     
  14. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    The problem is though, I don't think they are anywhere near accurate.

    Surely by now, we have the technology to do a little bit better?

    Maybe sensors in the gloves, that can measure the power of a shot, but also fighters would have to wear something like a fine cloth or fish net stockings over their faces and body that also have tiny sensors in them so that you only measure the shots that have cleanly connected, and not shots that have hit the arms or gloves.

    I know what you're thinking, crazy right? But I dunno, when you are used to things being one way, then a maverick comes along and tells you there is a better way, there is always resistance at first. But be open minded, let it sink in.
     
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  15. BCS8

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    Oh, so this is more butthurt by the Floyd fans that can't believe Conor was competitive and even took rounds off Floyd. :lol: Keep it flowing :D

    Yes, it is as embarrassing as you think :p
     
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